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Hi, I have never been to Europe before. I will be making a 3-day trip to Heidelberg via Stuttgart. I want to clarify these questions which were not answered by guidebooks or "Germany Guide" sites on the web. I have lived all over the USA and in Japan before, and I’m assuming the cultural differences are at least as great.

- Do hotel rooms in Germany supply soap and shampoo, or was this outlawed by the Kyoto Protocol? Some hotels in the USA do this.

- Do hotel rooms in Germany have their own shower stalls, or is this considered a funny American invention? (In Japan, where people say they value cleanliness, hotel rooms rarely have their own shower stalls, and it is considered a funny American invention.)

- Are there espresso bars in Germany, or is this considered a funny foreign practice? (The Germans I’ve met get upset when I talk about America or Italy.)

- If there are espresso bars, do they serve iced drinks?

- Do waiters in Germany expect tips, or will they be offended by the "bribe"? How about taxi drivers? (Europeans are anti-capitalist, anti-work-incentive, and find the notion of bonus pays by American companies "offensive".)

- Is it true that Germans will be offended if you drink tap water? (I read this in a guide book.)

- Can you ask for cold beer in Germany, or is this considered offensive? (I’ve heard many people say that beer is served warm in Germany.)

- Are you supposed to break beer mugs on the floor, or do only Russians do this?

- Do Germans click glasses, or is this considered obscene? (It is considered obscene in some parts of Europe.)

- Are men supposed to open doors for women, or is this considered "sexist" and offensive? (In Asia and some parts of the US, it is considered sexual harrassment.)

- Is it normal for men to have crew cuts? (In some countries, it is considered a gangster hairstyle and people run away.)

- Is it ok to kiss in public, or is this considered an obscene Latin custom?

- Do Germans have a custom of shaking hands, or is this considered an obscene American custom? (I’ve met French or Italians who seem to think it is.)

- Do Germans perform bear hugs, or do only gays do this?

- When giving cash to a cashier, are you supposed to place it on the table or on their hand? (Some parts of the world, including parts of the USA, consider it offensive to place it directly on the hand.)

- Are you supposed to finish your plate, or is this considered offensive? (It is considered offensive in Italy.)

- Are you supposed to burp after a meal, or is this considered offensive? (Some countries expect you to burp after a meal for good manners.)

- I’ve seen Germans cut food into small pieces before eating it, is this what you are supposed to do?

- Are you supposed to leave lights on or off when exiting a room? (Some countries expect you to leave the lights on, because the darkness is offensive.)

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Haha, nice one. I´m German so I hope you´ll be fine with my wisdom.

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I have lived all over the USA and in Japan before, and I’m assuming the cultural differences are at least as great.

No, I wouldn´t say so. AFAIK 55 million Americans are of German origin, so they must have left some cultural traces (if you are one of those 55 millions, you can still claim German citizenship, but I honestly hope you won´t do that). The other way round, the USA certainly managed to do that in Germany during the last 60 years. Not that this is any good news, I might add.

quote: – Do hotel rooms in Germany supply soap and shampoo, or was this outlawed by the Kyoto Protocol? Some hotels in the USA do this.

The USA never signed the Kyoto protocol. Don´t you know that? Hence, those hotels in the USA obviously pulled a fast one on you.

quote: – Do hotel rooms in Germany have their own shower stalls, or is this considered a funny American invention? (In Japan, where people say they value cleanliness, hotel rooms rarely have their own shower stalls, and it is considered a funny American invention.)

The toilet as we know it came to Germany in 1860. The first one was installed in Schloss Ehrenburg in Coburg, Bavaria. It was invented in 1775 in ENGLAND by Alexander Cummings, so it is NOT an American invention.

The shower as we know it is actually a GERMAN invention. The Prussian army started to install showers into their barracks in 1889.

Today, private shower and toilet facilities are taken for granted in German hotel rooms.

quote: – Are there espresso bars in Germany, or is this considered a funny foreign practice? (The Germans I’ve met get upset when I talk about America or Italy.)

- If there are espresso bars, do they serve iced drinks?

Germans are not generally upset about America and Italy, but we certainly don´t like the governments of these countries. Wait, the Italians have just solved this problem. Good riddance.

There is a Starbucks in Heidelberg (on Hauptstrasse 137) and even two of them in Stuttgart (Königsbau and Calwer Strasse).

quote: – Do waiters in Germany expect tips, or will they be offended by the "bribe"? How about taxi drivers? (Europeans are anti-capitalist, anti-work-incentive, and find the notion of bonus pays by American companies "offensive".)

Okay, we are lazy commies. Sooner or later, you would have found out this anyway.
If your waiter proves to be work-incentive, tip him 50 cent. Tips over 2 Euros are not really common. If he´s anti-capitalist (or even Muslim), call the American embassy. They will take care of him.

quote: – Is it true that Germans will be offended if you drink tap water? (I read this in a guide book.)

Where do you get your guidebooks from? That´s ridiculous. We drink tap water all the time and it´s really good tap water here. Actually, we think bottled water is a funny American invention. Is tap water drinkable in the USA? Do you actually HAVE taps?

quote: – Can you ask for cold beer in Germany, or is this considered offensive? (I’ve heard many people say that beer is served warm in Germany.)

It´ll be cold, but beware! German beer tastes totally different. There is this saying in Germany, like: American beer is like making love in a canoo (it´s fucking close to water).

quote: – Are you supposed to break beer mugs on the floor, or do only Russians do this?

No, we have signed the Kyoto protocol and don´t waste recources in such stupis ways.

quote: – Do Germans click glasses, or is this considered obscene? (It is considered obscene in some parts of Europe.)

Yes, we click´em. While doing this we keep eye contact and say &quotrost" (as in &quotrostata&quotWink.

quote: – Are men supposed to open doors for women, or is this considered "sexist" and offensive? (In Asia and some parts of the US, it is considered sexual harrassment.)

Men are supposed to be nice to women. If you think it´s nice to open a door for a woman, do it. It won´t be enough to get her into bed, though.

quote: – Is it normal for men to have crew cuts? (In some countries, it is considered a gangster hairstyle and people run away.)

Please style your hair the way you like it. We´re totally liberal about that.

quote: – Is it ok to kiss in public, or is this considered an obscene Latin custom?

I thought you are coming alone? Are you seriously hoping any German girl will kiss such a prejudiced ignorant as you obviously are?

quote: – Do Germans have a custom of shaking hands, or is this considered an obscene American custom? (I’ve met French or Italians who seem to think it is.)

Huh?

quote: – Do Germans perform bear hugs, or do only gays do this?

Yes, only gays do this. And the French, of course. Which doesn´t make much difference for you anyway, does it?

quote: – When giving cash to a cashier, are you supposed to place it on the table or on their hand? (Some parts of the world, including parts of the USA, consider it offensive to place it directly on the hand.)

Table, please. Besides, we use funnily colored banknotes here, they are called "Euros".

quote: – Are you supposed to finish your plate, or is this considered offensive? (It is considered offensive in Italy.)

No, it isn´t.

quote: – Are you supposed to burp after a meal, or is this considered offensive? (Some countries expect you to burp after a meal for good manners.)

Please, no! (Except you are in the Hofbräuhaus).

quote: – I’ve seen Germans cut food into small pieces before eating it, is this what you are supposed to do?

I heard Americans usually have a quite big mouth so that might not be necessary for you.

quote: – Are you supposed to leave lights on or off when exiting a room? (Some countries expect you to leave the lights on, because the darkness is offensive.)

As we have signed the Kyoto protocol, we consider it offensive to waste energy.

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No, I wouldn´t say so. AFAIK 55 million Americans are of German origin, so they must have left some cultural traces

The cultural traces are from 19th century German culture, which is totally different from Germany today. Scholars from various countries come to the USA to study the old traditions which no longer exist in their own countries, e.g. Mennonite colonies in Pennsylvania speaking 19th-century dialects of German.

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The USA never signed the Kyoto protocol.

I didn’t say they did.

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Hence, those hotels in the USA obviously pulled a fast one on you.

I didn’t say that the hotels in the USA said anything about the Kyoto protocol.

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The toilet as we know it came to Germany in 1860. The first one was installed in Schloss Ehrenburg in Coburg, Bavaria. It was invented in 1775 in ENGLAND by Alexander Cummings, so it is NOT an American invention.

I did not say it is an American invention. Smile

Many countries erroneously accuse modern influences of being "American", when in some cases they may have invented it themselves.

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The shower as we know it is actually a GERMAN invention. The Prussian army started to install showers into their barracks in 1889.
Today, private shower and toilet facilities are taken for granted in German hotel rooms.

Ok, so you are different from the Scandinavians, who are proud of their group baths, which they consider a symbol of racial identity, solidarity, and collectivist spirit.

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Germans are not generally upset about America and Italy,

You sure you don’t sound upset about America?

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There is a Starbucks in Heidelberg (on Hauptstrasse 137) and even two of them in Stuttgart (Königsbau and Calwer Strasse).

Ok, good to know. New question: is Starbucks considered a "woman’s store"? It is in Asia.

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Okay, we are lazy commies. Sooner or later, you would have found out this anyway.
If your waiter proves to be work-incentive, tip him 50 cent. Tips over 2 Euros are not really common. If he´s anti-capitalist (or even Muslim), call the American embassy. They will take care of him.

Ok, will do.

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quote: – Is it true that Germans will be offended if you drink tap water? (I read this in a guide book.)

Where do you get your guidebooks from? That´s ridiculous. We drink tap water all the time and it´s really good tap water here. Actually, we think bottled water is a funny American invention. Is tap water drinkable in the USA? Do you actually HAVE taps?

This is the guidebook, it is sold at every major bookstore in the USA.

http://www.amazon.co…

In America, bottled water is considered a funny European invention. People who think they are high class prefer to drink bottled water. Studies have shown that bottled water is no better than tap water.

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It´ll be cold, but beware! German beer tastes totally different. There is this saying in Germany, like: American beer is like making love in a canoo (it´s fucking close to water).

Ok, because I have met Germans who complained that cold beer is a funny American invention.

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quote: – Are you supposed to break beer mugs on the floor, or do only Russians do this?

No, we have signed the Kyoto protocol and don´t waste recources in such stupis ways.

Depending on the perspective, beer making is a waste of resources. But anyway. Wink

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Men are supposed to be nice to women. If you think it´s nice to open a door for a woman, do it. It won´t be enough to get her into bed, though.

Ok, because contemporary Europe is dominated by feminist and Muslim sensibilities, which says to never open doors for women. Don’t worry, I wouldn’t want a German woman.

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Please style your hair the way you like it. We´re totally liberal about that.

Ok, so it’s different from Italy, where people might get violent if you have a crew cut.

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I thought you are coming alone? Are you seriously hoping any German girl will kiss such a prejudiced ignorant as you obviously are?

I am going to visit my Japanese girlfriend there. Don’t worry, I have no interest in Germans.

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quote: – Do Germans perform bear hugs, or do only gays do this?

Yes, only gays do this. And the French, of course. Which doesn´t make much difference for you anyway, does it?

The French are relatively masculine compared to Southeast Asian men, who talk with high voices and whisper all the time.

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quote: – When giving cash to a cashier, are you supposed to place it on the table or on their hand? (Some parts of the world, including parts of the USA, consider it offensive to place it directly on the hand.)

Table, please. Besides, we use funnily colored banknotes here, they are called "Euros".

Ok, so you are similar to Koreans, who consider it offensive to pass banknotes by hand.

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quote: – Are you supposed to burp after a meal, or is this considered offensive? (Some countries expect you to burp after a meal for good manners.)

Please, no! (Except you are in the Hofbräuhaus).

Ok, so you are not yet strongly influenced by Islam.

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quote: – I’ve seen Germans cut food into small pieces before eating it, is this what you are supposed to do?

I heard Americans usually have a quite big mouth so that might not be necessary for you.

In America, it is said that Germans like everything big, which is why we like everything big. But it is possible that this is a trait of 19th century German culture, while contemporary German culture prefers small things.

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quote: – Are you supposed to leave lights on or off when exiting a room? (Some countries expect you to leave the lights on, because the darkness is offensive.)

As we have signed the Kyoto protocol, we consider it offensive to waste energy.

Strictly speaking, it costs a lot of energy to produce a light bulb. Switching them on and off causes the light bulb to wear out quicker, so it increases overall energy consumption. The loss of safety also indirectly leads to other costs.

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quote: The cultural traces are from 19th century German culture, which is totally different from Germany today. Scholars from various countries come to the USA to study the old traditions which no longer exist in their own countries, e.g. Mennonite colonies in Pennsylvania speaking 19th-century dialects of German.

Strictly speaking, yes, that´s true.
What I had in mind is this: The cultural background of the Americas is 90% European. The cultural background of most European countries was strongly influenced by the ancient Greeks and Romans.
This makes the European and American very different from the, say, Japanese.

quote:Ok, so you are different from the Scandinavians, who are proud of their group baths, which they consider a symbol of racial identity, solidarity, and collectivist spirit.

That´s an exaggeration. They don´t build group baths on their main squares because they would feel lonely in private facilities.

quote:You sure you don’t sound upset about America?

I´m trying not to sound upset about everything "American". Please apologize if I do. It is just that many things in America are just plain wrong, bizarre, some even evil. For us Europeans, at least. Please, I don´t want to discuss about your religious fundamentalists, gun control, foreign policy, "corporate America" etc. It´ll lead nowhere.

quote:In America, bottled water is considered a funny European invention. People who think they are high class prefer to drink bottled water. Studies have shown that bottled water is no better than tap water.

OK, good. As a matter of fact, the Coca Cola company tried to sell tap water from South London as bottled water. We had a good laugh and they gave it up.

quote: Ok, because I have met Germans who complained that cold beer is a funny American invention.

Well, define "cold". The beer we sell where I work comes out of the tap at 5 degrees celsius. I guess that´ll be cold enough.

quote: Depending on the perspective, beer making is a waste of resources. But anyway. Wink

Well, beer has some nutritional value. In Bavaria it´s even called "liquid bread". So it´s not a total waste to waste yourself!

quote: Ok, because contemporary Europe is dominated by feminist and Muslim sensibilities…

Hahaha! Where did you hear that? Fox news?

quote: Don’t worry, I wouldn’t want a German woman.

Because they don´t shave their armpits, right? Hint: this is a legend we invented to keep Americans away from our girls!

quote: Ok, so it’s different from Italy, where people might get violent if you have a crew cut.

Excuse me, I have never seen an Italian who´s beating up someone for his hair style.

quote:Ok, so you are similar to Koreans, who consider it offensive to pass banknotes by hand.

You misunderstood me. There´s no codex here how to hand over money. It´s just that I would put it on the counter. Do as you wish, really.

quote: Ok, so you are not yet strongly influenced by Islam.

OMG, what´s your problem with Islam over there? Stop killing them, then they might even like you.

quote:In America, it is said that Germans like everything big, which is why we like everything big. But it is possible that this is a trait of 19th century German culture, while contemporary German culture prefers small things.

Please don´t blame your madness about SUV´s on us.

quote:Strictly speaking, it costs a lot of energy to produce a light bulb. Switching them on and off causes the light bulb to wear out quicker, so it increases overall energy consumption. The loss of safety also indirectly leads to other costs.

That´s a weird theory.

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Strictly speaking, yes, that´s true.
What I had in mind is this: The cultural background of the Americas is 90% European. The cultural background of most European countries was strongly influenced by the ancient Greeks and Romans.
This makes the European and American very different from the, say, Japanese.

These days, it’s more like 70%. There are some ancient racial roots in common with Europeans, just as Poles and Germans are related, or Serbs and Croats are related.

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I´m trying not to sound upset about everything "American". Please apologize if I do. It is just that many things in America are just plain wrong, bizarre, some even evil. For us Europeans, at least. Please, I don´t want to discuss about your religious fundamentalists, gun control, foreign policy, "corporate America" etc. It´ll lead nowhere.

Ok, so I won’t talk about how we keep Europe’s religious traditions alive, or fundamentalists in Europe who blow up your subways, your gun-crazed Swiss that have higher per capita ownership of guns than us, your foreign policy that depends upon bashing America and little else, or the Chinese and Indian corporations that are the true capitalist forces harming European jobs the most. Wink

If you hate our politics, then welcome your new masters. Wink

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Well, define "cold". The beer we sell where I work comes out of the tap at 5 degrees celsius. I guess that´ll be cold enough.

Ok. I probably won’t be drinking any because beer makes me sick, but anyway.

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quote: Ok, because contemporary Europe is dominated by feminist and Muslim sensibilities…

Hahaha! Where did you hear that? Fox news?

No, the more liberal the media is, the more they talk about feminism and Islam as the driving forces of Europe. Many European cities today have Muslim majorities in their school systems. Fox news tends to talk about the pope all the time.

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quote: Don’t worry, I wouldn’t want a German woman.

Because they don´t shave their armpits, right? Hint: this is a legend we invented to keep Americans away from our girls!

What would I talk about to a German woman? I already have a Japanese girlfriend and an American girlfriend.

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quote: Ok, so it’s different from Italy, where people might get violent if you have a crew cut.

Excuse me, I have never seen an Italian who´s beating up someone for his hair style.

An Italian told me that in Italy, it is against the law to wear military clothes in public.

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OMG, what´s your problem with Islam over there? Stop killing them, then they might even like you.

Problem? None of our Muslim immigrants have attacked us — we have over a million of them. The Kuwaitis and Saudis want us to kill Iraqis, so we are doing it for them. Arab Americans are signing up for our army in large numbers, because they hate Iraqis too.

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Please don´t blame your madness about SUV´s on us.

Will it be better when China and India own more cars than us, and consume way more gas?

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quote:Strictly speaking, it costs a lot of energy to produce a light bulb. Switching them on and off causes the light bulb to wear out quicker, so it increases overall energy consumption. The loss of safety also indirectly leads to other costs.

That´s a weird theory.

Environmentalism is a big scam that is all about raising the property values for home owners. Forests produce just as much carbon dioxide as they consume. If the Earth warms, (1 degree in 200 years?) it makes a greater portion of the Earth’s land mass habitable. Most land on Earth is tundra or covered in ice, too cold to live. Europe today is colder than it used to be in the medieval ages, when grapes were grown in England — but maybe you prefer it colder still, so you can fantasize about your vacations to tropical beaches? People in every era seem to feel the need to punish themselves, just like the Europeans who whipped themselves for no reason in the middle ages, or the Muslims today who cut themselves with knives and bleed all over themselves.

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Mods, please move this thread to the pub. I guess other people want to have a little fun with this troll, too.

Over and out.

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I am a latin chick, and i had plenty of fun reading the first post!

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Imagine a guy like this travelling in Amazonia or in Colombia!

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Typical idiotic American – I am embarrassed for you.

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It’s gotta be a joke…I mean, come on now, can someone seriously be THAT oblivious?

I have to say I did enjoy Santa’s retorts…my personal fav.

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- Is it normal for men to have crew cuts? (In some countries, it is considered a gangster hairstyle and people run away.)

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Please style your hair the way you like it. We´re totally liberal about that.

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My best friend is dating a German. And i think he’s already planning to come back to his country!

I think he doesn’t likes it in here.

quote:Is it ok to kiss in public, or is this considered an obscene Latin custom?

What’s obscene about hugging and kissing?

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I think he doesn’t likes it in here.

Where exactly is "here"?

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It’s gotta be a joke…I mean, come on now, can someone seriously be THAT oblivious?

I have to say I did enjoy Santa’s retorts…my personal fav.

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- Is it normal for men to have crew cuts? (In some countries, it is considered a gangster hairstyle and people run away.)

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Please style your hair the way you like it. We´re totally liberal about that.


Actually, just by looking at the haircut, I can tell if somebody is American. American hairstylists are criminals. Anyway, I´m far from beating up Americans just for their hairstyle. I pity them!

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Here (my country, Peru). I wonder if he’s like, "ewww, how dirty" sometimes.

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Here (my country, Peru). I wonder if he’s like, "ewww, how dirty" sometimes.

Well, since it almost never rains in Lima it is obviously a bit dusty but that never bothered me.

There would be just one thing that would make living in Peru pretty hard for me. You are confronted with real poverty wherever you go. You can´t look away. That is combined with a government that isn´t capable of changing this. Maybe it´s even part of the problem. That´s hard.

What really struck me odd was an incident on the Lima airport just when I left the coutry. Somebody asked me if I want to watch a TV ad the Peruvian tourism agency (ministry?) produced to be aired in Europe and America, so they asked me – as a tourist – what I think of it. I had two hours to kill so I agreed.

That TV ad showed Peru like it was something like Disneyland. After having seen the thing, they gave me a questionnaire and one question was really "do you think Peru is like an amusement Park?" My mind went completely blank. What the fuck? I mean, it´s a great country, it is REAL (Disneyland is NOT real), there are so many good things to say about Peru. But is´s quite the opposite of an amusement park. There are millions of Peruvians who find their daily life not very AMUSING. For example, in less then one mile away, there is Callao – no amusing place. I tried to explain this to these people but they obviously had no idea what I meant. They were obviously not from Callao. It was really strange.

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I think he likes the weather. And that’s all. Seems Germany is really, really cold.

When he went to Callao…and honestly, Callao is not the poorest place of them all, i’ve seen them worse, our german friend videotaped a video of the ugly , dirty bus, and of all the poverty around. My friend (her gf) was deeply ashamed. Same happened once we took him to visit this X place… took pics of the poor people… to send them to their parents in Germany.

I am not saying my country is a piece of crap. Poverty is our main problem, that’s for sure. But hell, it’s my country, i love its food, its history…and in a certain way, the people too.

Still, when i watch TV and i see Germany i feel my skin chill a little, imagining what that guy must think of us and our country.

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- Is it true that Germans will be offended if you drink tap water? (I read this in a guide book.)

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As an American living in Germany, I can say, it’s not offensive to drink tap water, but if you order water in a restaurant they will assume you mean bottled sparkling water and give you that. Personally I hate sparkling water, and so I always ask for still water, but they rarely have it in a bottle. Then I have to make a point in saying that I don’t care if it comes from the tap! I don’t know what the heck Santa Klaus is talking about!! He might be German, but obviously he knows nothing about bottled water in Germany! These Germans are obsessed with bottled, everything!!

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I don’t know what the heck Santa Klaus is talking about!! He might be German, but obviously he knows nothing about bottled water in Germany! These Germans are obsessed with bottled, everything!!

Haha! Well, you are right about the sparkling water. We love it. Unfortunatelz it doesnt come out of taps so we have to get it in bottles. But I know not a single German who would buy still bottled water!

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at least it was a funny troll Wink

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I think he likes the weather. And that’s all. Seems Germany is really, really cold.

When he went to Callao…and honestly, Callao is not the poorest place of them all, i’ve seen them worse, our german friend videotaped a video of the ugly , dirty bus, and of all the poverty around. My friend (her gf) was deeply ashamed. Same happened once we took him to visit this X place… took pics of the poor people… to send them to their parents in Germany.

I am not saying my country is a piece of crap. Poverty is our main problem, that’s for sure. But hell, it’s my country, i love its food, its history…and in a certain way, the people too.

Still, when i watch TV and i see Germany i feel my skin chill a little, imagining what that guy must think of us and our country.

OMG, the guy must be really weird. In Rio, I saw they make tours into the favelas IN BULLETPROOF CARS so the tourists can ENJOY it without being shot. This is so sick.

There is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of for you except you are a person who takes advantage of the poor. Unfortunately, there are too many of these people everywhere in South America.

Poverty is not your problem, it is only a symtom. The real problem (apart from the way the globalized economy works against you) is corruption and incompetent bureaucracy.

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Hahahaa, i don’t know if he’s weird or maybe there’s not that kind of poverty in Deutschland and that’s why he takes pics….. still, it’s shameful.

He’s from the East. That helps?

I also have the impression he’s not really into backpacking or such kind of stuff. When i commented him about a possible eurotrip in 2007, he was like, i don’t know…. he was like, "why would you go…backpacking around with almost no money?" And my friend tried to explain him many people enjoyed that and stuff.

He’s not really into, uhm… "getting dirty". Sleeping at a cheap place, or not sleeping. He likes it confy. And at least in Peru…t hat’s pretty hard.

Poverty is disturbing, and also how the city can be so dirty. There’s a lack of education here. It’s like… people don’t really love the country, cause they keep doing the same wrong things over, and over again. It’s a problem that it’s not only about the government and how corrupted the system is, but it also comes from the roots, from the same people. Yeah, we’re screwed, lol. But it’s my country, i can’t be angry at it all the time!! ;D

It’s not like i am ashamed of being peruvian or anything, cause i love my country.. it’s just, i’ve seen enough pics and reports of Germany and i don’t want him to compare… but you can’t help that.

And that tour to the favelas sounds… sick, dude.

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As far as the shampoo/soap/lotion/amenities question… Any of the 3 to 5-star hotels provide such items. Hostels, and 2-stars generally don’t provide them all…

I am leaving from EWR with $4000 for 9 days

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Hahahaa, i don’t know if he’s weird or maybe there’s not that kind of poverty in Deutschland and that’s why he takes pics….. still, it’s shameful.

He’s from the East. That helps?

Well, I don´t want to judge a person I don´t know bat thar DOES sound weird. And don´t ask a west German about east Germans! We are still very different, but trying to get along with each other…

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I also have the impression he’s not really into backpacking or such kind of stuff. When i commented him about a possible eurotrip in 2007, he was like, i don’t know…. he was like, "why would you go…backpacking around with almost no money?" And my friend tried to explain him many people enjoyed that and stuff.

He’s not really into, uhm… "getting dirty". Sleeping at a cheap place, or not sleeping. He likes it confy. And at least in Peru…t hat’s pretty hard.

Why did he go to Peru then?

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Poverty is disturbing, and also how the city can be so dirty. There’s a lack of education here. It’s like… people don’t really love the country, cause they keep doing the same wrong things over, and over again. It’s a problem that it’s not only about the government and how corrupted the system is, but it also comes from the roots, from the same people. Yeah, we’re screwed, lol. But it’s my country, i can’t be angry at it all the time!! ;D

I think there is the wrong sort of education. I have spent six weeks with Peruvian students (from Chimbote). I had the impression they are tought to obey what their teachers/professors tell them but they are not encouraged enough to use their own brains or even question authority or anything they´re told by someone supreriour.

I still think the most important problem is corruption and incompetent bureaucracy. For lack of proper education and critical thought, the people elect politicians who make the most irreal promises. There is no good newspaper or TV which actually controls what politicians are doing (or if there are nobody reads them). The result is that incompetent bureaucrats never lose their jobs (because nobody writes thet they´re incompetent) and politicians use their jobs to fill their pockets and/or to get their friends/relatives good jobs because nobody really watches what they are doing.

I have spent 6 weeks in a rural area near Chimbote in the Cordillera Negra and talked to dozens of people – farmers, mayors, priests, craftsmen, teachers. I heard (and saw myself) mind-boggling things. They were building a concrete dam into the middle of an earthquake zone. They built roads into the mountains without properly securing them against landslides (the roads were not passable any more after a few months and were never repaired). The government bought useless expensive machinery for a technical high school/college but the nearest 380 Volt socket is 50 km away. Irrigation ditches aren´t repaired so the farmers lose all their crops. Some things were really beyond belief. There IS money to improve things but most of it gets wasted because the most stupid people can decide how to use it and there are no consequences for them if they fail to use it well.

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quote:And don´t ask a west German about east Germans! We are still very different, but trying to get along with each other…

OOPS! Sorry, i didn’t know that. I won’t, thanks for the free lesson. I think the subject is a little bit touchy, so it’s all good.

I think he thought things would be easier here. Don’t know. I have a lot of theories about but i am not sure anyway, so….

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quote:There is no good newspaper or TV which actually controls what politicians are doing (or if there are nobody reads them).

I work at El Comercio (which is the biggest newspaper of this country), and yeah, i can say… it’s all full of shit. I mean…. government cares about stuff they shouldn’t, or at least that ain’t priorities.

Take this example. There’s controversy about if we should establish death penalty or not.

With 50% of people in extreme poverty,i think i don’t give two flying f***ks about it.

Smoke curtains anybody?

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OOPS! Sorry, i didn’t know that. I won’t, thanks for the free lesson. I think the subject is a little bit touchy, so it’s all good.

Well it´s a little bit like with Limenos and Serranos. We basically like each other but don´t always understand each other, make fun of each other, but once in a while someone takes a joke seriously and takes offense. For the younger people west and east don´t make much difference any more, but anyone over 30 comes from his "west" or "east" cultural background.

We brought the thread back to "Deutsch Kultur Questions" !!!

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I work at El Comercio (which is the biggest newspaper of this country), and yeah, i can say… it’s all full of shit. I mean…. government cares about stuff they shouldn’t, or at least that ain’t priorities.

There´s a good quote from Nikita Chrushtchew: &quotoliticians are building bridges where there aren´t rivers".

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If it’s like Limeños/Serranos, then there’s a lot more than just not liking eachother. There’s this "superiority feeling" in limeños, and well, people from Sierra is often discriminated, not only racially, but also in other levels. Not good, not good. shakes head

And yeah. That quote totally hit the nail!

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While many users have a knee-jerk reflex of calling me "ignorant", I was conducting a multiple testing hypothesis. Cultural differences are all about "common sense" being different — what is taken for granted in one culture is not taken in another. I figured that at least some of the questions would have counter-intuitive answers, and I was right. Germans are like Koreans who get offended if you pass them change by hand; they are like Hindus who are obsessed with bottled water. In some parts of the world, it is considered offensive to open a door for a woman, and people there will ask how "ignorant" you could be by opening a door for a woman.

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While many users have a knee-jerk reflex of calling me "ignorant", I was conducting a multiple testing hypothesis.

Haha, being ignorant was part of a "test"? Who is going to buy that?

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Cultural differences are all about "common sense" being different — what is taken for granted in one culture is not taken in another.

That is common sense.

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Germans are like Koreans who get offended if you pass them change by hand; they are like Hindus who are obsessed with bottled water.

Excuse me, both is total crap. As long as you don´t throw the change on the floor nobody will take offense. And Germans are no more obsessed with bottled water than Americans. See there: http://www.royalspri…
Apparently, Mexicans buy almost twice as much bottled water than Germans.

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Many west Germans have the same superiority feeling. After all, THEIR system won and the west now pays lots (really LOTS!) of money to help the east. While there is no "racial" difference between the east and west Germans the odd thing is that nearly all the immigrants live in the western part of Germany, but there are way more racists among the east Germans…!

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Mods, please move this thread to the pub. I guess other people want to have a little fun with this troll, too.

Over and out.


Sorry it took so long. I was on the fence about whether to move it, then I was out of town last weekend.
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Haha, being ignorant was part of a "test"? Who is going to buy that?

Have you heard of the binomial distribution? If there is a 95% chance that a question will have a common-sense answer, then if I ask 20 questions, there is a better than even chance that at least one question will have a counter-intuitive answer.

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Cultural differences are all about "common sense" being different — what is taken for granted in one culture is not taken in another.

That is common sense.

Then what’s the problem?

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Excuse me, both is total crap. As long as you don´t throw the change on the floor nobody will take offense. And Germans are no more obsessed with bottled water than Americans. See there: http://www.royalspri…
Apparently, Mexicans buy almost twice as much bottled water than Germans.

American restaurants do not serve bottled water unless we ask for it.

If I said that Germans hate smiling so you shouldn’t smile at them, would that be "ignorant"? In that case, is this Economist article "ignorant"?

http://www.economist…

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quote:Many west Germans have the same superiority feeling. After all, THEIR system won and the west now pays lots (really LOTS!) of money to help the east. While there is no "racial" difference between the east and west Germans the odd thing is that nearly all the immigrants live in the western part of Germany, but there are way more racists among the east Germans…!

Is that fully confirmed? And was life for East Germans as hard as it looks like, before the Wall’s fall?

My aunt lives in West Berlin since she’s 16 (she’s 40 now, moved on there when her daughter was born), and she says they’re a little weird, but mostly the old generations.

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Is that fully confirmed? And was life for East Germans as hard as it looks like, before the Wall’s fall?

It wasn´t hard at all (in most cases). Don´t misunderstand me – I´m glad communism is gone.
They were not "free" in the political sense. If they openly critisized the government they were in big trouble. Then, they weren´t allowed to go to western countries, or to read western newspapers. To hell with a system like that.

BUT! Apart from that, their life wasn´t hard. They were relatively wealthy (their per capita GNP the same as Portugal´s) and while critizsing the government was evil they could say what they wanted to their bosses. Nobody had to work very hard (ask any east German, they will confirm this) and everything was really cheap. Lack of money was no problem for anyone, but rather the lack of things to buy. Like cars (you had to wait 20 years to get one), color TV´s or bananas.

What IS a problem in east Germany is violent racism. Berlin is fine, but frankly, as a Peruvian (who looks Peruvian) I would avoid the rest of east Germany.

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My aunt lives in West Berlin since she’s 16 (she’s 40 now, moved on there when her daughter was born), and she says they’re a little weird, but mostly the old generations.

Well, let´s say they´re a little weird (in the way Germans call Austrians "weird" and vice versa), but when they shave their heads, but their stinking feet in army boots and start to beat up people who don´t look "German" enough I would use stronger words than just "weird". And these are not the old people, but the young. And almost ONLY in east Germany.

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If you really are "conducting a multiple testing hypothesis" you should do that without declaring yourself as a retarded redneck who seems to come right out of a Borat movie. I mean quotes like these:

quote: Europeans are anti-capitalist, anti-work-incentive, and find the notion of bonus pays by American companies "offensive"

quote: Ok, because contemporary Europe is dominated by feminist and Muslim sensibilities

quote: Ok, so you are not yet strongly influenced by Islam.

quote:your foreign policy that depends upon bashing America and little else, or the Chinese and Indian corporations that are the true capitalist forces harming European jobs the most. Wink

If you hate our politics, then welcome your new masters. Wink

quote:No, the more liberal the media is, the more they talk about feminism and Islam as the driving forces of Europe.

quote: The Kuwaitis and Saudis want us to kill Iraqis, so we are doing it for them.

quote: Environmentalism is a big scam that is all about raising the property values for home owners. Forests produce just as much carbon dioxide as they consume. If the Earth warms, (1 degree in 200 years?) it makes a greater portion of the Earth’s land mass habitable. Most land on Earth is tundra or covered in ice, too cold to live. Europe today is colder than it used to be in the medieval ages, when grapes were grown in England — but maybe you prefer it colder still, so you can fantasize about your vacations to tropical beaches? People in every era seem to feel the need to punish themselves, just like the Europeans who whipped themselves for no reason in the middle ages, or the Muslims today who cut themselves with knives and bleed all over themselves.

The way do do your "conducting a multiple testing hypothesis" rather makes me think you are a troll who only wants to wind up "whiny Euros" (Which we are NOT. I´m German. You will need another 200 years to kill as many innocent people as we did. So – fuck off!).

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Typical idiotic American – I am embarrassed for you.

Typical uneducated retort-

Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, and end up getting charged double.

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Here (my country, Peru). I wonder if he’s like, "ewww, how dirty" sometimes.

Unfortunately that would be the U.S.

Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, and end up getting charged double.

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It wasn´t hard at all (in most cases). Don´t misunderstand me – I´m glad communism is gone.
They were not "free" in the political sense. If they openly critisized the government they were in big trouble. Then, they weren´t allowed to go to western countries, or to read western newspapers. To hell with a system like that.

BUT! Apart from that, their life wasn´t hard. They were relatively wealthy (their per capita GNP the same as Portugal´s) and while critizsing the government was evil they could say what they wanted to their bosses. Nobody had to work very hard (ask any east German, they will confirm this) and everything was really cheap. Lack of money was no problem for anyone, but rather the lack of things to buy. Like cars (you had to wait 20 years to get one), color TV´s or bananas.

What IS a problem in east Germany is violent racism. Berlin is fine, but frankly, as a Peruvian (who looks Peruvian) I would avoid the rest of east Germany.

A friend of mine (he’s English) has some german (western) friends. I remember he told me once "guys from west have really nothing cool to say about their eastern brothers". They said they were (not generalizing), racist, and lazy as well.

Thanks for enlightening (sp?) me about the whole situation. I was curious, and pisses me off cause my friend says "don’t ask him (the german guy) anything about communism". I am a curious cat, and i love to know about other people’s lyfestyles and backgrounds.

I’d like to go to the East. I am not typical peruvian looking (which sucks, i like dark hair and dark skin! Damn it). Should i give it a try?

And yeah, this guy had serious issues with racism in there. Not cause of the way he looks, but he’s a really, REALLY skinny and shorty fella. Even shorter than i ( i’m 1’69).

quote:Well, let´s say they´re a little weird (in the way Germans call Austrians "weird" and vice versa), but when they shave their heads, but their stinking feet in army boots and start to beat up people who don´t look "German" enough I would use stronger words than just "weird". And these are not the old people, but the young. And almost ONLY in east Germany.

That sucks. Really. I thought we had left all the racism the last century. But i guess it’s the biggest problem in your country,right?

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If you really are "conducting a multiple testing hypothesis" you should do that without declaring yourself as a retarded redneck who seems to come right out of a Borat movie. I mean quotes like these:
quote: Europeans are anti-capitalist, anti-work-incentive, and find the notion of bonus pays by American companies "offensive"

This has been stated in many respectable business textbooks, on how not to do business in Europe. Workers have been known to quit en masse unless everyone receives equal pay, regardless of how hard each individual works. Europeans also hate the word "aggression" when used in a business context, though it is considered positive in North America, Asia, and South America. Europeans are hypersensitive and quick to foam at the mouth about "cultural imperialism".

quote: Ok, because contemporary Europe is dominated by feminist and Muslim sensibilities

Yes, European intellectuals like Marija Gimbutas have brainwashed Europeans to believe that Europe is a matriarchal culture. The typical European never goes to church anymore, while Muslims are expected to become the majority of Europe’s population by 2050; over the weekend, German priest Roland Weisselberg burned himself alive in protest. Muslims have led a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe, where desecrations of Jewish graves have become a daily event, the media is fanatically anti-Israel, and Oxford University now turns away Israeli applicants because of their religion.

quote: Ok, so you are not yet strongly influenced by Islam.

Yes,

http://www.gwias.com…

quote:your foreign policy that depends upon bashing America and little else, or the Chinese and Indian corporations that are the true capitalist forces harming European jobs the most. Wink

Yes, this is true. European media complains endlessly about a few prisoners in Guantanamo, but where are the complaints about maltreated prisoners in China, India, and Eastern Europe?

quote:No, the more liberal the media is, the more they talk about feminism and Islam as the driving forces of Europe.

This is true also. Conservative media just talks about the pope all the time, while more liberal media such as the NYT describe how Europe is all about Islam and socialism.

quote: The Kuwaitis and Saudis want us to kill Iraqis, so we are doing it for them.

This is true also, ethnic hatreds predominate Middle Eastern countries — despite European media which would have us believe that America is more hated. This war is all about Kuwaitis and Saudis hiring Americans to kill the Shiites they don’t like. Kuwaitis/Saudis are the true controllers of the world, for they control the world’s economy through the oil supply, and also control Western media, which blames the war entirely on the US and Israel, while being silent on Saudi/Kuwait.

quote: Environmentalism is a big scam that is all about raising the property values for home owners. Forests produce just as much carbon dioxide as they consume. If the Earth warms, (1 degree in 200 years?) it makes a greater portion of the Earth’s land mass habitable. Most land on Earth is tundra or covered in ice, too cold to live. Europe today is colder than it used to be in the medieval ages, when grapes were grown in England — but maybe you prefer it colder still, so you can fantasize about your vacations to tropical beaches? People in every era seem to feel the need to punish themselves, just like the Europeans who whipped themselves for no reason in the middle ages, or the Muslims today who cut themselves with knives and bleed all over themselves.

That’s right, there is a long list of growing glaciers today.

http://www.iceagenow…

Where I live, we are having a very cold winter this year — it’s almost unheard of to have ice in October.

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quote: Should i give it a try?

Nothing in the world ever stopped curiousity!

quote: That sucks. Really. I thought we had left all the racism the last century. But i guess it’s the biggest problem in your country,right?

Maybe not the biggest, but the most annoying one. It´s the one that could be solved most easily – if the people would only used their brains a bit more.

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I might give it a try.

And well, every problem can be solved using the brains more, lol. It’s just, many people don’t want to do the effort!

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That’s right, there is a long list of growing glaciers today.

http://www.iceagenow…

Where I live, we are having a very cold winter this year — it’s almost unheard of to have ice in October.

Dorpus, this made my day, it´s really funny!

quote: The BBC recently ran a documentary, The Big Chill, saying that we could be on the verge of an ice age. Britain could be heading towards an Alaskan-type climate within a decade, say scientists, because the Gulf Stream is being gradually cut off. The Gulf Stream keeps temperatures unusually high for such a northerly latitude.

I´ll explain that for you. What the BBC certainly mentioned but your funny website ignores is this:
DUE TO MELTING INLAND ICE there is now more fresh water in the atlantic ocean. The original water contains salt, is heavier and sinks down, at least until the fresh water blends in. This has a dramatic impact on the gulf stream and it might indeed be cut off, as it happened in recent ice ages. So – while the earth warms up, we could indeed face a new ice age in Europe.

Right now, thanks to global warming, the climate allows to grow strawberries in Greenland. Which is nice for the 30.000 people living there, of course.

The rest of your growing-glacier-stuff are fairy tales. You can google up images how some glaciers in the Alps looked like some 100 years ago. Compare them with recent pics, that should even convince a total butthead.

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And well, every problem can be solved using the brains more, lol. It’s just, many people don’t want to do the effort!

Yes, my point is that some problems just appear for some reason, can be solved with brainpower, but other problems wouldn´t be there in the first place if everyone had at least half a brain.

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I´ll explain that for you. What the BBC certainly mentioned but your funny website ignores is this:
DUE TO MELTING INLAND ICE there is now more fresh water in the atlantic ocean. The original water contains salt, is heavier and sinks down, at least until the fresh water blends in. This has a dramatic impact on the gulf stream and it might indeed be cut off, as it happened in recent ice ages. So – while the earth warms up, we could indeed face a new ice age in Europe.

In other words, large parts of the Earth will hit a new ice age, and be colder than before.

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Right now, thanks to global warming, the climate allows to grow strawberries in Greenland. Which is nice for the 30.000 people living there, of course.

However, England is still not warm enough to grow grapes commercially, as they used to in the Middle Ages. Europe today is much colder than it was in 1200 AD, according to this graph.

http://www.telegraph…

In Europe today, it is just as taboo to question the Greenhouse effect as it was to question the Church during the Middle Ages.

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The rest of your growing-glacier-stuff are fairy tales. You can google up images how some glaciers in the Alps looked like some 100 years ago. Compare them with recent pics, that should even convince a total butthead.

Yes, if the new ice age hits Europe, then the alps will just be an ice field with a few mountain peaks sticking out, so "climbing the alps" will be no harder than the average walk across a shopping mall.

During the last ice age, carbon dioxide concentrations became 350 times higher than what they are today, but it still took 2000 years for it to have an effect. How about we let people in 4000 AD worry about their climate, since they’ll have better technology by then?

http://www-eps.harva…

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In other words, large parts of the Earth will hit a new ice age, and be colder than before.

Europe is not "a large part of the Earth", but yes, that is apparently a possible scenario.

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In Europe today, it is just as taboo to question the Greenhouse effect as it was to question the Church during the Middle Ages.

It´s not a taboo – after all, I´m debating it with you. Anyway – the overwhelming majority of scientists don´t question it as such. There is only a debate about how big the impact of greenhouse gases are.

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Yes, if the new ice age hits Europe, then the alps will just be an ice field with a few mountain peaks sticking out, so "climbing the alps" will be no harder than the average walk across a shopping mall.

That sounds so nice, apart from the minor inconvenience that my flat will be inaccesible because there´ll be a pretty thick ice sheet on it. I don´t want that to happen as I have paid a lot of money for it.

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How about we let people in 4000 AD worry about their climate, since they’ll have better technology by then?
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I see. I gather your government follows the same logic with their insane budget deficits. Let the people in 4000 AD worry about it (or the next government which will inevitably be Democrat anyway). Right?

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I see. I gather your government follows the same logic with their insane budget deficits. Let the people in 4000 AD worry about it (or the next government which will inevitably be Democrat anyway). Right?

Good call. The Democrats won the house back in yesterdays elections.

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Good call. The Democrats won the house back in yesterdays elections.

I wish you a good riddance in 2008!

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In other words, large parts of the Earth will hit a new ice age, and be colder than before.

Europe is not "a large part of the Earth", but yes, that is apparently a possible scenario.

Large when population densities are taken into account.

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In Europe today, it is just as taboo to question the Greenhouse effect as it was to question the Church during the Middle Ages.

It´s not a taboo – after all, I´m debating it with you. Anyway – the overwhelming majority of scientists don´t question it as such. There is only a debate about how big the impact of greenhouse gases are.

The MEDIA claims that an "overwhelming majority" of scientists don’t question the view. Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that scientists are just using it as a sales pitch to get their grants — they do not really believe in it. In the recent past, scientists also used the "terrorism" sales pitch for hypothetical high-tech threats, and they remain just that.

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That sounds so nice, apart from the minor inconvenience that my flat will be inaccesible because there´ll be a pretty thick ice sheet on it. I don´t want that to happen as I have paid a lot of money for it.

Environmentalism is really about preserving the status quo and raising the land values of existing properties. Throughout the world, there are vast tracts of undeveloped land, including habitable ones, where thousands of cities can be built. That’s if we even need to build new cities, seeing that population growth rates are declining globally. Throughout rich countries, smaller cities are suffering from declining populations, and city centers look like abandoned ghost towns on evenings and weekends.

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I see. I gather your government follows the same logic with their insane budget deficits. Let the people in 4000 AD worry about it (or the next government which will inevitably be Democrat anyway). Right?

You mean our budget deficit isn’t shrinking?

http://news.bbc.co.u…

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Large when population densities are taken into account.

Not even then. If you move the entire population of the earth to North America you still wouldn´t be as sensely populated as Europe.

It doesn´t matter anyway. We want no warming and no ice sheet. We like it just the way it is now.

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The MEDIA claims that an "overwhelming majority" of scientists don’t question the view. Speaking as an insider, I can tell you that scientists are just using it as a sales pitch to get their grants — they do not really believe in it. In the recent past, scientists also used the "terrorism" sales pitch for hypothetical high-tech threats, and they remain just that.

Why would "the media" do this? For my part, I find it rather suspicious that global warming is mainly questioned by people who either sell oil or buy vast quantities of it.

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Environmentalism is really about preserving the status quo and raising the land values of existing properties. Throughout the world, there are vast tracts of undeveloped land, including habitable ones, where thousands of cities can be built. That’s if we even need to build new cities, seeing that population growth rates are declining globally. Throughout rich countries, smaller cities are suffering from declining populations, and city centers look like abandoned ghost towns on evenings and weekends.

Obviously, you have never been in Europe. I have seen YOUR city centers. Try URBAN PLANNING.

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You mean our budget deficit isn’t shrinking?

You mean the Chinese aren´t running out of space where they can stash away Dollar bonds?

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Large when population densities are taken into account.

Not even then. If you move the entire population of the earth to North America you still wouldn´t be as sensely populated as Europe.

Which means that it is large when population densities are taken into account.

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It doesn´t matter anyway. We want no warming and no ice sheet. We like it just the way it is now.

So you like it just the way it is now, where Europeans take their expensive vacations to tropical locations by burning gas on planes?

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Why would "the media" do this? For my part, I find it rather suspicious that global warming is mainly questioned by people who either sell oil or buy vast quantities of it.

Chinese, Indians, and Russians buy and sell vast quantities of oil, but nobody there cares about global warming.

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Obviously, you have never been in Europe. I have seen YOUR city centers. Try URBAN PLANNING.

Funny, most people complain that American cities are too planned. Latin Americans and Asians, i.e. the vast majority of the world’s population, says we should have less organized, more spontaneous cities.

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You mean our budget deficit isn’t shrinking?

You mean the Chinese aren´t running out of space where they can stash away Dollar bonds?

Your sentence makes no sense, so I won’t try to analyze it.

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Which means that it is large when population densities are taken into account.

WTF are you talking about anyway? If global warming cuts the gulf stream off and we´ll end up covered with an ice sheet we won´t exactly anticipate that.

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So you like it just the way it is now, where Europeans take their expensive vacations to tropical locations by burning gas on planes?

This is why we tax fuel, not enough unfortunately. America doesn´t. You are about to cross the Atlantic Ocean for a quickie with your Japanese girl so don´t tell my stories about MY "expensive vacations". All right?

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Chinese, Indians, and Russians buy and sell vast quantities of oil, but nobody there cares about global warming.

Which proves my point.

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Funny, most people complain that American cities are too planned. Latin Americans and Asians, i.e. the vast majority of the world’s population, says we should have less organized, more spontaneous cities.

Your city centers are DEAD and that´s not a result of &quotlanning".

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Your sentence makes no sense, so I won’t try to analyze it.

See there: http://www.uuforum.o…
or there: http://www.ustreas.g…
or there: http://www.epinet.or…
ot there: http://www.federalbu…

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WTF are you talking about anyway? If global warming cuts the gulf stream off and we´ll end up covered with an ice sheet we won´t exactly anticipate that.

I’m not complaining. Europeans cheered when Katrina struck.

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This is why we tax fuel, not enough unfortunately. America doesn´t.

Really, are you sure we don’t tax fuel?

http://en.wikipedia….

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You are about to cross the Atlantic Ocean for a quickie with your Japanese girl so don´t tell my stories about MY "expensive vacations". All right?

I got a cheap plane ticket to Stuttgart. She’s paying for the hotel. I would never have gone to Europe otherwise — they don’t deserve my money.

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Chinese, Indians, and Russians buy and sell vast quantities of oil, but nobody there cares about global warming.

Which proves my point.

They do not oppose it or support it.

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Your city centers are DEAD and that´s not a result of &quotlanning".

Really, so Times Square in NYC, downtown SF is "dead"?

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See there: http://www.uuforum.o…
or there: http://www.ustreas.g…
or there: http://www.epinet.or…
ot there: http://www.federalbu…

I’m not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you trying to extrapolate data from the past few years to 4000 AD?