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Ethical Tourism (Environmental point of view)
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I was listening to an interesting radio program on my way home today. It was on the CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation). The program is called The Current. They are doing a summer special called Climate Currents. Here’s the link to the pod cast for those interested. http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/media/200707/20070702climatecurrents.ram



I didn’t hear the whole program. The part I did hear was when the host was talking to George Monbiot, author of Heat: How to Stop The Planet from Burning. He said it was morally wrong to travel for a holiday. Even to visit loved ones, you had to plan on seeing them less often. He said it was selfish to continue to travel. Air travel contributes to global warming which is destroying the lives of many around the world, especially in “3rd world countries”.



I was certainly moved by what he said and saw the reasons behind his argument. The fellow they had that followed argued that tourism is too vital to those struggling countries to encourage people to stop being tourists and his approach was more moderate.

It really got me thinking. Would I be willing to stop travelling? The intro said that a bishop in London (also supported by the Arch Bishop of Canterbury) said it is a sin! I searched on the internet and found the quote: “Flying abroad for a foreign holiday is “a sin” against the planet, one of the country’s leading bishops has declared. Like murder, adultery and stealing, choosing to travel on jet planes has moral consequences, according to the Bishop of London because flights are doing too much damage to the environment.” Source – Daily Mail  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=397228&in_page_id=1770

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think the issue is a cut and dry as I’ve outlined above. I was just struck at how my opinion of this issue is definitely coloured by my desire to continue to travel. Does that make sense?

Also curious as to what others think.



edited for spelling errors… oops.

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These days you can buy “carbon offsets.”
Sort of like the Catholics buying indulgences in the olden days.
Of course it appeals, because you get to do what you want to do with a clear conscience.
I know a lot has been said lately about the cheapo commuter jets in Europe. (Though don’t we have plenty of puddlejumpers in North America?)
Probably nothing will really change until and unless people’s pocketbooks are hit really hard.

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ethnical tourists? I thought the jajaweed kill dem all?

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Yes I know about carbon offsets too and I think that is certainly a way to “ease” ones conscience and I plan to buy them next time I fly. But this argument went beyond that. I find it an interesting morale dilemma because the reasons I travel 90% of the time are selfish. I suppose it is beacause I see/understand and even argree with the idea that the fellow was expousing. Yet I am still willing to do the opposite. I don’t travel for work. All my family is in Canada and we usually drive to see them. I know air travel is awful for the environment but I am not content to travel near home. I want to see other parts of the world. Good think I’m not Anglican I guess!





Well, I’m off to have my daily shower, to jump in my car, drive to work, stopping for a coffee in a disposable cup on the way.









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Well, I like what the Bishop says about being in communion with what God has made rather than just consuming it.
And in the old days, people did not see as much of family as they do now. We are spoiled in that way.
OTOH
The Bishop of London, with his four kids, must not exactly be into Zero Population Growth.[Smile]
I guess most of us try to do our part in our own way.

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 I find it an interesting morale dilemma because the reasons I travel 90% of the time are selfish. I suppose it is beacause I see/understand and even argree with the idea that the fellow was expousing.

 
Maybe you should stop being a narcissistic selfish tithead & and grow some principles & a linebeard.  How is it a ‘morale dilemma’ if you’re admitting that you only care about yourself?

I agree with the Catholic Church’s take on the environment: God put everything on earth for HUMAN consumption.  To not use up the resources the LORD so gracefully gave us is to sin.

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If by staying at home, not flying, not driving, not using electricity and such, would magically save the environment and the world, then yes I would most likely do it.  But its not.  I know thats a singular view, and my contributions add up, and if everyone did it there would be a drastic change, but they are not going to do it. 
If by some unlikely chance, citizens of the world made some of kind pledge to take care of the environment by changeing their daily regiements, not flying and such, well I’ve always to try cross country cycling.  Until then, I guess I’m just going to be like every other citizen and do what I can without sacraficing too my of my personal interests. 

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Warmer planet = better, longer growing seasons, fewer blankets needed in poor and developing nations, less energy expended heating developed countries in the north.

Travel with a clear conscience.


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Warmer planet = better, longer growing seasons, fewer blankets needed in poor and developing nations, less energy expended heating developed countries in the north.

Travel with a clear conscience.

 
 
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