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europe trip summer 2008 - help, advice
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Hi, im new but I have been reading around & I would like to ask a few qu’s [Wink]

Next year I plan to go to Europe (from Australia) with my mother and a friend for 8-10 weeks. I have a rough itinery and would like any comments. We will be going (I think) early August and be most likely starting in London or Barcelona & departing from Cyprus. Here is a rough plan:

I will write country by country (in no particular order – but general idea of route)

Spain (8-9 days)
Barcelona (4 days)
Sevilla (1 day) [travel to Cadiz and to Las Palmas] Las Palmas is where my friends father is born so its a must for him to see family – so I predict 2 days & nights)
– Maybe a few days in Madrid
– Fly to Paris

France (10 days)
Paris (5 days – one day = day trip to Versailles and Normandy)
– Provence (2 days)
French Rivera (3 days)

United Kingdom - a few days in London

———— is it worth visiting Germany??? ————

Italy (9 days) [rent a car] [still a working progress – any ideas?]
- Milan (3 days) – day trip to Mazzo (family here)
– Bologna  – Rome  – Naples  – Venice – Florence

Greece (12 days) [possibly rent car or use bus]
(my favourite part of trip) []
– Thessaloniki (2 days)
– Down to Katerina and Meteora (2 days)
– Athens (5 days) [1 day trip to Nafpoli & Delphi]
[1 day trip to Corinth & Olympia]
– Santorini (2 days)
– back to Athens

Cyprus (7 days)
– Limassol 7 days (will be staying with family)

ok – thats the summary I have

a few more questions
– 1. Is it better to travel by plane from City to City (was recommended) OR by train?
– 2. Is it a good idea to visit Germany? (i have low interest) but is it worth it?
– 3. Is a budget of 9,000 euros enough for traveling and Spending money also?
– 4. Does anyone have a better idea of country by country
– 5. Am I rushing too much?

Thanks so much
any comments are appreciated
Thanks
all the best
– Renee

———- edited: ———-
– 6. What countries should we use a car/train or bus?
– 7. Anyone recommend good day tours?

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    Hi! I read your topic and I think I can help you a little.

1. If you’ll travel from city to city inside the country, you better use the train. It’s cheaper than plane, and it’s confortable too. But if you travel from country to country than better use the plain, because travel with train ‘ll be torturing.

2.If I were you I definatly go in Germany. It’s a pitty you don’t go on Eurotrip in Oktober, you could  enjoy  the greatest  festival of beer on the  whole  world. And it’s a beautiful country.

3.On this question i can’t answer you becasue i don’t know. sorry.

4.If you drink beer you can also go to Ireland.You said you ‘ll be in London for few days,  so that’s a perfect chance to go to Ireland.

5.No, I think you are just exciting[8D]. 


ooo! And have a nice Eurotrip[Wink]

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thanks so much for your ideas
I really appreciate it.

Could you specify where in Germany is best.

thanks

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Looks like a good trip.
These days, I think train travel can be more relaxing than going by air, but obviously it depends on where you’re going. I think the timing looks good..how many people is your $10,000 USD budget covering, is that after airfare?
It’s hard for me to say whether or not Germany is “worth it” for you; it depends on your interests and what you and your travel companions want to get out of your trip. I really enjoyed Berlin, Alsace was intriguing (and beautiful) as well; there are other posters here (Russ comes to mind) who are very knowledgable about this country.

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Looks like a good trip.
These days, I think train travel can be more relaxing than going by air, but obviously it depends on where you’re going. I think the timing looks good..how many people is your $10,000 USD budget covering, is that after airfare?
It’s hard for me to say whether or not Germany is “worth it” for you; it depends on your interests and what you and your travel companions want to get out of your trip. I really enjoyed Berlin, Alsace was intriguing (and beautiful) as well; there are other posters here (Russ comes to mind) who are very knowledgable about this country.


hey Cil – thanks so much for your reply

it will be about 10,000 USD per person. thats including flights in and out of Europe – So I predict about 8,500 per person within Europe (including spending money)

the countries so far will be UK, Spain, France, Italy, Greece, Cyprus [maybe Germany & Czech also]

Since its only 8 weeks I dont want a week per country – I want more time per country [Smile] not rush [Wink]

I will keep that in mind about Train travel. But I have heard alot of negative things about people going and getting a whole pass and waste and etc…

Do you think its better to combine cheap flying with some cheap train tickets?
[whichever it cheaper then the other]

thanks Cil

kind reguards

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thanks so much for your ideas
I really appreciate it.

Could you specify where in Germany is best.

thanks



Here you are Renee![Wink]  I found a German Travel guide on this link:

 http://www.thereareplaces.com/Guidebook/pdest/gmpts.htm

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Here you are Renee![Wink]  I found a German Travel guide on this link:

http://www.thereareplaces.com/Guidebook/pdest/gmpts.htm


thanks! nice site []

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bump
 
anyone else with advice? [Smile]
 
thanks

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Assuming you start in Barcelona and end in Cyprus…

SPAIN:  No specific advice.

FRANCE:  Paris is pretty far from Provence and the Riviera.  Suggest you go to the Riviera first then Italy (you’re nearly there); do Paris later.

ITALY:  Way too much on your plate.  9 days is barely enough for Rome, Florence, and Venice; I’d drop the other cities.  Don’t drive – you’re visiting megacities where traffic is hell on earth.  Italy is described by most who have driven it as very stressful.  Trains are cheap and comfortable, get you right into the heart of things pain-free.

GERMANY:  For a short visit, fly from Venice to Frankfurt Hahn (NOT FRA) airport on Ryanair; a quick look at their website shows 10-euro flights available in August if you can pick out your travel days well in advance.  Rent a car at the airport for a few days or a week; tour the nearby Mosel and Rhine river valleys, see the medieval castles and towns, have some good wine and food, do some biking or hiking:

http://www.mosel-rei…

http://www.welterbe-…

Best castle tour is Burg Eltz:  www.burg-eltz.de

Then drop the car in Trier or Saarbrücken and take your train to Paris.

PARIS:  Looks about right.  Definitely go to Normandy, but staying overnight in Bayeux would be good too; I haven’t done the daytrip/tour from Paris, but it seems to me there is too much to see for a single daytrip.  Tapestry In Bayeux, and Arromanches and Omaha beaches are worth seeing for sure, but public transport is weak after Bayeux, so suggest you rent a car from Versailles or Caen (we rented in Versailles and drove to Bayeux and the beaches; worked well.)

LONDON:  Take the Eurostar if you can swing it – more convenient.

GREECE:  I liked Thessaloniki a lot.  Corinth was good.  I even liked Athens – course I wasn’t there in summer.  Wish I’d gotten to the other places you mention.

Sounds like a nice trip.  You’re visiting some of the most expensive places on the planet, so have some reserves handy, but you can minimize expenses by planning diligently well in advance (pin down flights between Italy and Germany, London and Greece, for example.)

My only other comment is that it doesn’t seem quite worth the time and money to go to London for just a couple of days and not see more of England.  If it were me, I’d drop London and spend a couple days in the Bernese Oberland (Interlaken/Lauterbrunnen region in Switzerland) or in the Dolomites (Italian Alps, after Venice) for a change of scenery.  You could go to one of these places after Italy/before Germany.  Then you have an excuse to return to the UK sometime.






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Ahh Russ thanks so much
 
thats a good idea about Paris
 
maybe its better to travel from Barcelona north to south of france then go across to Italy
And visit Paris later.
 
Cheers! [Smile]

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———— is it worth visiting Germany??? ————



That’s up to you.  Browse through some illustrated guidebooks of Germany and browse online as well. 

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Spain (8-9 days)
Barcelona (4 days)
Sevilla (1 day) [travel to Cadiz and to Las Palmas] Las Palmas is where my friends father is born so its a must for him to see family – so I predict 2 days & nights)
– Maybe a few days in Madrid
– Fly to Paris

[ol][*]Arrive Madrid, stay 3-4 days, including day-trip(s) to Segovia and/or Toledo, and/or a 2-day trip to Sevilla with the AVE
[*]Fly to Las Palmas 2 days
[*]Fly to Barcelona 2 days
[*]Train to Nîmes or Arles[/ol]
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France (10 days)
Paris (5 days – one day = day trip to Versailles and Normandy)
– Provence (2 days)
French Rivera (3 days)

[ol][*]Nîmes and/or Arles 1-3 days
[*]Nice, Antibes, Cannes, or Menton 2-3 days
[*]Paris 3-5 days, includes day trip to Versailles, and/or 2-day trip to Bretagne/Normandie
[*]Off to London, either by train (Eurostar), or train-and-ferry, or plane[/ol]

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United Kingdom - a few days in London

———— is it worth visiting Germany??? ————


 
Either fly to Germany, or train from London to Brussels (Belgium 2-5 days), then off to Germany, then Italy


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Italy (9 days) [rent a car] [still a working progress – any ideas?]
- Milan (3 days) – day trip to Mazzo (family here)
– Bologna  – Rome  – Naples  – Venice – Florence



Are you talking about a village called Mazzo di Valtellina? 
[ol][*]Milan, day trip to Mazzo di Valtellina (if possible in a single day)…[you’re forgiven if you skip Milan and Mazzo] 3 days[/ol]

For the remaining 6 days, please choose from the following:
[ol][*]Florence and Toscana region (2-4 days)
[*]Rome 2-3 days
[*]Venice 2 days
[*]Campania region (Naples, Amalfi Coast, etc) 3-4 days[/ol]

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Greece (12 days) [possibly rent car or use bus]
(my favourite part of trip) []
– Thessaloniki (2 days)
– Down to Katerina and Meteora (2 days)
– Athens (5 days) [1 day trip to Nafpoli & Delphi]
[1 day trip to Corinth & Olympia]
– Santorini (2 days)
– back to Athens

[ol][*]Ferry from Italy to Corfu, 2-3 days
[*]Bus or fly to Thessaloníki 2 days
[*]Metéora-Kalambáka 1 day 1 night
[*]Athens 2 days
[*]Ferry to Santoríni, 2-3 days
[*]Back to Athens, fly or to Limassol[/ol]


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Cyprus (7 days)
– Limassol 7 days (will be staying with family)

ok – thats the summary I have


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you are the greatest

thanks sooo much [Smile]

my mother gets terribly seasick. so im trying to avoid long ferries
 
and yes its Mazzo di Valtellina where my fathers grandparents were born