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Please refrain from posting ads for any other discussion boards — these postings are considered spam. All the best to you guys with your start up website, but please respect the rules. Thanks!

Moved from Fav. Places to the Pub

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Gee MiM — the fact that the other board even started was because you, personally, did not bother to moderate any of the boards between May of 2003 and today.

Welcome back. Moderators who actually remove spam is one very small step toward getting this forum back to the great resource it once was.

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MiM,

No problem. Of course I’ll respect your rules. Glad that you are back moderating on here. Best of luck to you as well……

Thanks for the kind words…. it’s appreciated.

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Auher’s a bit too polite – how many times did I see threads posted by him that were like "moderator, please…" which went unnoticed?

Don’t you think you should turn your job over to someone who is interested in having it?

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Oh hope, I agree with you completly. I only write what I write because I don’t want to spam a board if the moderator has actually decided to come back and moderate. But of course, I do wonder where they, and everyone else who had a leadership role, was when this site went down hill.

In any case…I guess what’s done is done. After the "insurrection" the people who post here, are by in large, all newbies. A few originals post too, but most have made the move.

So I guess I’m not overly worried about promoting here and being a pest. It’s a shame what happened happened, but the new site works much better for us…. People will come if they want now…we’ve reached enough of that critical mass now I think

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I’m sorry you all feel that way. And, yes, I have neglected to moderate these forums for a while. I’m sure your wondering what’s up, so I’ll throw it out on the table for you (at least everything I know):

I’ve been a Eurotrip member for over 5 years — I mostly stayed out of the pub; wasn’t for me. Around three years ago, just like a lot of you, I didn’t like the direction in which this website was going and I actually emailed the president of wandrian about it. In fact, after a few phone calls, we had a lunch meeting regarding the status of eurotrip. After the meeting I was very excited by what he was saying; there was alot of new ideas he was proposing, and I left lunch feeling very good about the company that took over this website. Then, not much of what we talked about happened. I contacted him again, asked if I could help, and this is when the new format of the site took shape. Since then I have been in contact with him off and on trying to see what’s going on with the site. I haven’t spoken to him in about a year.

So that’s what’s going on now. For the last year or so due to a bunch of stuff I have not been able to moderate, and I recently came back and was surprised to see I was still the moderator. I have no administrative rights, so I can’t give anyone else moderator rights. Trust me, if I could I would. Sorry for leaving you guys high and dry; that was my fault. I am back now and will continue to moderate these forums.

I’m sorry that some of you guys feel like you had to leave, but that’s your choice. And for all the problems this site may have, the forums work and they draw a good amount of new users every day that have questions about backpacking in europe. So, I’m content here — as are alot of people. But, all the best to you guys.

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MiM: Nice to know that you can at least understand our frustration. I have refrained from slamming Eurotrip and promoting Eurotrek, but your post calling the eurotrek promotions "spam" (even though I agree that they were overdone) was just plain more than I could take. I’d personally like to see just one forum, but the eurotrip sponsors seem to be completely unwilling to listen to problems or make any improvements. Interesting that they only time I remember them actually fixing anything was fixing the "new members can’t register" problem AFTER Auher started building the competition.

I get &quotage cannot be displayed" when I try to look up a member. "Search" is only useful if you’re familiar enough with the forum to know exactly what you’re looking for and since there are no stickys you have to search to find any of the general information that would be useful to all. Using the lastest version of internet explorer means that you occasionally get blasted off site and clear out of IE when you try to post something.

Eurotrek comes up with more answers and recommendations for most questions that have been posted on both — but Don is pretty much irreplaceable, so it will be awhile before Eurotrek can compete on the airfare front. Again, I wish we could get back together, but the future of Eurotrip does not look bright to me.

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Oldlady, you’re right about the format. I do like eurotrek’s forum software much better because it’s easier to navagate and seems to have less bugs. That being said, I do agree with auher — eurotrip is full of newbies, but I think that’s a good thing. I look at the forums as a place for more experienced backpackers to help out those "newbies" who are on their first trip to europe. That is what I think is lacking at eurotrek, and until eurotrek becomes a brand like eurotrip is, eurotrek won’t be able to draw new users.

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I would like to point out the wa1ter is a moderator on this forum and he’s been supporting eutotrek, shouldn’t you revoke his moderator status because he’s done fuck all moderting and has been active in trying to recruit members for the other site. If wa1ter was any good and doing his job he should have been closing eurotrek threads and banning members like hope and auher for spamming this site.

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Kiwirob, I don’t work for wandrian and I don’t have admin access. It seems wa1ter has moved over to eurotrek (which is fine) and I guess there needs to be a new moderator put in — I just don’t have the ability to do it.

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I would like to point out the wa1ter is a moderator on this forum and he’s been supporting eutotrek, shouldn’t you revoke his moderator status because he’s done fuck all moderting and has been active in trying to recruit members for the other site.
I’m actively recruiting members for the other site?
Interesting.
As for doing fuck all moderating. . . the pub is basically a free fire zone and things have to get really out of hand before we (as you probably know I’m not the only pub moderator) do anything about that.

If you had paid attention to the other forums I moderate you would have noticed that I do step in when it’s necessary.

Then again, I wouldn’t expect you to go outside of the pub. I mean, the words that are in the other forums are obviously way too big for you.

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If wa1ter was any good and doing his job he should have been closing eurotrek threads and banning members like hope and auher for spamming this site.

If you’d ever paid any attention aside from just dissing people (you do realise that it’s a proven sign of personal inadequacy when you’re constantly bashing other people, right?) you would have known that moderators can’t ban people.

As for closing the threads… why would I? I like this forum otherwise I wouldn’t have been coming here for year. I’ve tried to change things and point out when/where the site was broken to no avail. If these threads get the owners attention (and they seem to as the register function has finally been fixed) I’m perfectly happy with the threads.

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quote:It seems wa1ter has moved over to eurotrek (which is fine) and I guess there needs to be a new moderator put in — I just don’t have the ability to do it.
Just out of curiosity (not aimed at you in specific MiM, just using your quote as it is appropriate).
What’s up with people and this ‘one site only’ mentality.
Yes, I am also active at the EuroTrek. Yes, I’m even a moderator there. So what? I’m a moderator at 5 other fora as well.
That said, if Wandrian sees fit to have me replaced that’s their choice.
I, just like the other moderators, volunteered to do this.
We don’t get paid or otherwise reimbursed for our time. We do this cause we care for the site.
One of the things that comes from that is having to read each and every post in your fora and to be honest, I wouldn’t mind if I not had to read some of the ignorant shit that some people seem intend on posting. Would be lovely to just skip those posts.

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Wa1ter you shouldn’t have allowed posts advertising eurotrek on this site and your certainly shouldn’t have helped in the recruiting process, it’s a conflict of interest. That is what I was getting at when I critised your moderating, you should have been deleting spam from eurotrek, so in that respect your moderation was crap.

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quote:What’s up with people and this ‘one site only’ mentality.

Good point. It just that it seems most of the people starting up eurotrek have this one site mentality. I guess you’re the exception. It was just a bad assumption.

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KiwiRob, shut the fuck up. No one fucking cares about your fat opinions. You can try to stir up trouble all you want, but in the long run no one cares because it is you.

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Like your opinion is worth the the crap paper I wipe my arse with, why don’t you just fuck off back to the other site.

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I completly agree with the others who’ve said that there doesn’t need to be one travel site that we all post on, there is certainly no rule against posting on more than one. And MiM is right for now, yes, Eurotrip is an established brand, and is getting alot of the newbie traffic that Eurotrek won’t be able to until we establish ourselves more. That said, we ARE growing, and we DO have promotional plans in the works. It’s no accident that our membership, in less than 2 weeks has swelled to over 130. I have access to the logs which show where people reach the site from, and it’s not just from the "spam" posts which we placed on Eurotrip.

As far as those posts being labeled "spam," it’s more than a bit harsh. All of us in Favorite Places have had to sit there and watch all sorts of bull-shit posters post about how they have pyramid scams, and whatnot, and all of a sudden when we establish a new community, THAT is spam? I think that is why you ruffled a few feathers, MiM when you wrote that.

Look, I’ve said all along that I intend to &quotlay fair" with this, and I still intend that. I don’t wish harm on Eurotrip. I fondly remember this site from planning TONS of of my early trips to Europe. All that I’ve said is that in it’s current condition, with the outdated interface, lack of administration, and lack of any direction, the boards are headed downhill. Even if new members come over, they quickly come disenchanted with the board, and they aren’t the same frequent posters that some of us once were.

All I can say is that those of us involved in Eurotrek intend to develop it as a independly run, non-corporate incarnation of a travel community. It is our goal, and it is our passion that the site develop into a fantastic source for travel advice for all.

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Why would anyone care enough about this site to meet with the owner? I wish my life was so easy this site could pose such a major problem in my life. Why do I care who owns this or what gets done?

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Wa1ter you shouldn’t have allowed posts advertising eurotrek on this site and your certainly shouldn’t have helped in the recruiting process, it’s a conflict of interest. That is what I was getting at when I critised your moderating, you should have been deleting spam from eurotrek, so in that respect your moderation was crap.
Like I said before, if those posts got Wandrian’s attention and because of that broken parts of the site got fixed (which seems to be the case) than I think I made the right decicion when I chose not to delete them.
Aside from that, as nobody at Wandrian replied to the posts, deleted the posts or contacted me to do something about the posts it seems like they are not nearly as affected by them as you seem to be.

If giving my opinion is recruiting people for the other site than by all means I plead guilty.
Even then though, how could it be a conflict of intrest? A forum by it’s nature is there for the users so even if I had actively recruited users (where exactly did I do that anyway) it wouldn’t be a conflict of intrest.
Now if Wandrian was paying me to moderate this than yes, you would be right. However, as I only do this cause I care about the forum as a means to help other people the point is moot.

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I think those who claim to be ‘contributing to many sites’ and ‘have a broad cyber-interest in travel web sites’ need to take a good look at themselves.

Firstly, Auher, Hope, any posts you have made here in the last 4 weeks have been shameless promotion of your new website, and your bitch, sickcunt, while not partaking in the promo work is taking pot shots at those who question your actions.

The true members at Eurotrip are well within their rights to question anything you post unless it’s travel or general chit-chat, I’ve seen none of that since the inception of Eurotrek & I suggest staying away until your persecution complex dies off.

If Eurotrip is such a shambles them stay away, that’s what I’ve done with your new site, I don’t like the emergent cronyism that had accompanied it’s creation so I won’t be back…. but what I found rather sinister was the attacks on Eddie here, he never left and your
sewer rats came over and gave him a bashing, basically your members have been trying to press gang the stragglers into finally joining.

What’s that all about ?? Sounds to me that your bold claims of self sufficency in boosting members is crap and that your primary source of fresh blood will be newbies in F/P here.

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I’m scared to post. I might get attacked.

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MIM,

Delete the spam in Favorite Places and hostels.

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quote:what I found rather sinister was the attacks on Eddie here, he never left and your
sewer rats came over and gave him a bashing, basically your members have been trying to press gang the stragglers into finally joining.
haha, sorry, can’t hold back from responding to your ridiculous childish bullshit anymore!

why don’t you go back and READ and see who bashed who first.

don’t go pretending that this is some sacred ground with rules of propriety and other bullshit and that. when was the last time you were kind to someone on here? you’re the one who has tried to LEAVE eurotrip countless times, and now, SUDDENLY, you’re it’s fucking guardian and defender? niiiice. it’s not some country club game, it’s just a fucking travel forum connected to an outdated and pish website. as for eurotrek, i don’t really care about the "clique" there, all i want is a forum full of good info and an attached website that has some useful and handy and inspiring information.

apparently sitting around on ET talking about how you are boycotting something you claim is stupid in the first place is the most productive use of your time. hooray for you.

the &quotress gang" and "nazi" attributes you’ve strewn eurotrekkers with are just logical fallacies and exaggerated ways of making something inocuous look sinister — wow, I guess you really do have one modus operandus! if you can’t see that the bashing (which is over now) was meant to make a statement to Wandrian, and not to the supporters of this site, well, that’s sad….

"emergent cronyism" – god i’m pissing myself laughing that someone would dare use this term to describe people on messageboards on the internet! for some reason i thought travel-related forums were for discussing TRAVEL! silly me

if you don’t have enough drama in your own life, it’s nice to go around creating it online, i suppose!

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WOW!!!! This is the most entertaining the pub has been a while!!!!!! Pass the fuck’n popcorn please!!!!!!!!

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

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Yeh,

whatever, take it offline Hope if you want you’re arse flame grilled… I’ve got a little more class than shooting down two bit blog junkies on public forums, after all folks here know I like to keep it jovial. You got my email address.

You are the one who seems to think Eurotrip is sooooo bad, why not shake the sand from your sandals and be gone with you ??? After all that’s what I’ve done with Etrek.

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jboy writes (in pertinent part):

quote:… what I found rather sinister was the attacks on Eddie here, he never left and your
sewer rats came over and gave him a bashing, basically your members have been trying to press gang the stragglers into finally joining.
I appreciate your coming to my defense, jboy; but I am pretty thick-skinned and there is little chance that I will join those rats who went down the anchor chain when they thought Eurotrip was in trouble (rather than helping solve the problem). They were always part of the problem and they may have intentionally exacerbated the situation to achieve their objective: i.e., destroy Eurotrip.com and replace it with a look-alike that took no original design thought (as did Andrew Oglvie’s groundbreaking invention). These people just piggy-backed on Andrew’s original design.

I think there is an ulterior motive (probably financial) here and it won’t be long before we see Hope & auher ‘peddling’ Eurotrek to advertisers. But, in order to do so successfully, they must show a big member base. I will not be a part of that member base.

I hope Eurotrip stays alive. I enjoy visiting and sharing some of my Travel knowledge & experiences with people who ask for help …

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I think there is an ulterior motive (probably financial)

Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, we’ve been told that it’s to be more than just a forum, a website with loads of content, travel info, better than Eurotrip

That might be the case, maybe the members with many trips under their belts want to blow their own trumpets and bask in the limelight.. what baffles me is they never really bothered with many of the other forums here or on the web to do so, just token posts, perhaps the result of apathy with Wandrian caused that? The very same people who broke away recently took the same stance as I am now against Backpackers, what is puzzling is why didn’t the trekkers take that oppertunity to make something new and influence back then? Maybe they didn’t like Mouse and the Mom Squad driving creative efforts, who knows ?

That pretty much tells the story for me in that it’s egos and personalities at the helm rather than a content driven exercise. there’s plenty of other superior travel websites out there but the breakaway want to control everything.

These other websites out there that have done better than Trekkers can ever imagine, they are established and well run I don’t visit them because I’m not into the extensive travelogues and faceless postcards cum photographs, i’ve decided to stay here, it’s not my cup of tea but I firmly believe that if you don’t want to go there to these other websites then you’re indulging in cult of personality at Platos Trekker-republic, or you’re too scared to leave the little pond and party with the big fish.

E/T and the pub has a lack of pretention about which I like…. no other website comes close, the new place, after a day or two wasn’t going to be the Pub, maybe it was never ment to be but it wasn’t something I could relate to, people wanted answers and I gave them, constructive criticism and a bit blunt but there you have it.

Perhaps me not being there is some sort of sign that the community there is heading off in a different direction, one they’ve never really made clear… reading into it, the poaching of 98% of the pub regulars and adding their own distinctive extras sounds too much like self induglence, not really an improvement… if I want to do that I’ll buy myself a sports car or bugger of on a trip somewhere…. not go and set up a web site. I’ve got better things to do with my time than that.

And finally, Edddie and I have never bithced about the lack of investment/effort by Wandrian round here, I don’t really give a shit, makes no difference to me!

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quote:I think there is an ulterior motive (probably financial) here and it won’t be long before we see Hope & auher ‘peddling’ Eurotrek to advertisers.

I think that you are homosexual.

No, I really don’t, but that equals the statement you quote, as both are based on nothing.

Maybe you know more than I?

Please enlighten me, or stick to facts like you usally do.

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As far as the financial motives…believe me or not, it’s your choice, but there is no &quoteddling of the site to advertisers." For christ’s sake, we left here complainng about the corporate control of the site, why would we go and do the same. I know it’s hard to believe, but there are people in the world who have a motive other than cash on a project, maybe the motive being a hobby that they can put energy into.

As far as why I wasn’t part of the BBB originally, it has nothing do with the fact that I wasn’t in control, and thus didn’t want to be a part. While I’ve posted here for a long while, I was never a Pub regular, so I didn’t know about it till WAY after it happened. That’s it, plain and simple.

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quote:

I think that you are homosexual.

This must be directed at Eddie I suppose as they are his words? If you read my post I don’t know if that’s the case or not but I do love quoting/paraphrasing him so people can jump to conclusions though.

Auher, okay, after the event is your story but the bulk of your current members were there. So is it safe to assume you took a look at Backpackers when you did and didn’t like what you saw? (it’s not a loaded question!) I think they could have used your creative inputs, even put you in part charge? I know of one founding father that’s disgruntled at the Backpackers lack of progress… the only reason I see for another level of diversification is total control by it’s founders rather than join something established and even that is flawed, doomed through dilution, nothing will survive in an oversaturated market.

Other niggling factors about the new site.

‘The pub returns’ as a name. If you’re web site is to be ground breaking why pick up on old names… old rope I say.

Board layout… all the same as before, Backpackers, E/T, L/T and too numerous other sites to mention.

Looking at Eurotrek it’s basically a mirror of two web sites that already exist

I could go on but the biggest is the old virtual carrot of these things you promise that aren’t there yet and never will be (and I hope it’s not just a gallery of yours and Hopes travel photos and boring web logs…) it’s one thing to get the people into the stalls, it’s quiet another to keep them from walking out half way through the show
when the hype bites the dust.

Backpackers has been asking for donations to change/keep afloat, Andrew sold E/T because he’d taken it as far as he could (and was made a good offer) how will you buck this insurmountable law of webphysics where every forum I know has failed or remained in the hum-drum…. it’s sponsors or wallow in mediocrity is it not?

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You make some points that I agree with actually. "The Pub Returns" name, prob. wouldn’t be my first choice if I did it all again, but when it came down to it, it was the name people identify with from this site to talk about travel. Even more than that, since pubs are such a part of travel in europe, when newbies come in, they are drawn to it to "shoot the shit."

As far as if I modeled our site off of BBB, honestly, and you may or may not believe me here, I didn’t even visit till AFTER I got the eurotrips (original temp site) up and running. Basically what happened was I read that Eurotrip wasn’t allowing new members on here, and was in a motivated mood, so I created the temp site. That simple. No scheming or things happened at all!!

As far as what the content will be, I can tell you that there WILL be content, and that we will bring (or at least try) to bring to the table more than what other sites have. Actually more important than saying more, we’ll bring a unique focus that I at least haven’t seen done a lot.

I agree that travel sites are a saturated market. I think that the reason that a lot fail is they try to be everything to everyone. We are kidding around trying to do that. The one thing I found about BBB is that it had a good heart, a good spirit, but seemed to be too rooted in the past, with a very "good ol’ boys" network feel to it. I now, I know you’re going to say that by creating pub returns we did that? But I think the way we advertised and are trying for newbies makes us different than what BBB did…their start was very covert, from what I’ve heard….

As far as subsisting without donations or without corporate sponsorship, there is a reason that we will be OK for a while on this that few sites have. One of my close friends who runs a functional web business is doing our hosting for us. That isn’t a cost. The forums are open source, again not a cost. So far, all that "cost" money was my purchase of the domain name. And I bought it for 5 years. So really, monetarily, we aren’t having the issues that most sites have now…..

I don’t intend to pine away and try to get you to join up, I’m just posting back here since I thought you brught up valid points and I wanted to address them. If you want to join, you’re more than welcome, you know that. If not, I can’t and don’t intend to force you. I know that Eurotrip will still exist, of course!! It’s not my personal goal to drive them out or anything, I just want to be part of something that provides more and unique content to travellers, in a way I don’t feel that ET is doing!

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Unique content to travellers?

Define unique.

What I see is:

This site is free. Trek is free.
You read posts here. You read posts there.
You post here. You post there.
Information is from posters here. Information is from posters there.

I don’t see much unique. (Not attacking. Other than a little design, I don’t see any difference in information. Also not ignoring what needs to be done here.)

Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, and end up getting charged double.

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we are working on the main website at eurotrek so that it will be "unique" – it’s not right now but will at some point be.

jboy wonders why i never involved myself with BBB and making that site better – well, ever heard of "too many cooks"? BBB had so many moderators and people who came up with the idea in the first place, it always struck me as sort of a ‘clique’ that was run by the people who instated it…i liked posting there and i do like most of the people, but there wasn’t really room to get things done with efficiency and not step on people’s toes.

as far as taking this offline, i tried to, but you never answered any of the emails. BTW, actually being conscious for parts of a trip as opposed to unconscious and having a seizure on the ground foaming at the mouth is more preferable to me, thanks, so sorry if you can’t relate to my online blog from over 2 years ago.

eddie: &quoteddling" to advertisers? do you take medication for your psychosis-induced paranoia?

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Shot yourself in the foot again? I’ve never been hospitalized on my travels through alcohol comsumption, I believe you have… in Paris was it?

Perhaps you should say over by with your sycophantic half wits than get caught out with your ill conceived cheap shots here.

As for the ‘too manny cooks’, weren’t you trying to make me a mod in the Pub Returns just a couple of weeks ago? That would have made 5 mods for one board with a membership of around 80 at the time if my memory serves me correctly?

Again, caught out! I’d hate to have a numb nut like you dishing out coronary medical advice with a memory like a pair of tramps underpants!

I think you should just come out and say it that BBB would have left you in a fringe role but at Etrek you get to play the leading part (Eddie has already rumbled you) and take centre stage. I love your way with words, ‘efficiency’ and ‘not step on people’s toes’. More like ignore input and not have folk standing on YOUR toes more like it. BBB you didn’t sign up for coz you weren’t in control and it’s all gone autocratic the way you want at Trekkers, with Eichmann & Goebbels at the helm.

There’s no shame in admitting it, it wasn’t one or any of the reasons I left…. the site kept crashing and changing every other day, it just put me off as did the level of conversation, I mean I know I’m bored at work but come on, not that bored to read the shite that was being posted.

Why all the hostility, why do you even care, is my opinion so damaging to your new precious site or your carnivorous recruitment drive over here? Eddie & I are entitled to our opinions & I think your response sort of tells everyone maybe we’ve hit a raw nerve or too close to home.

BTW: I’m getting a good laugh at overdramatizing this & taking the rise out of you, watching the angelic facade crack, the vicious, nasty Hope is much better

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quote:eddie: &quoteddling" to advertisers? do you take medication for your psychosis-induced paranoia?
As for my &quoteddling to advertisers" comment: I just calls ‘em like I see ‘em.

Thank you for your diagnosis: just another evidence that it takes one to spot one. You don’t just want to build up your new venture. Your Agenda calls for total destruction of Eurotrip.com. You know that’s the only way your ‘look-alike’ copy of Eurotrip’s original formula can succeed. If there was a body of law governing these fora, it would find you guilty of plagerism; and IMHO it’s also a product of a disturbed mind.

quote:we are working on the main website at eurotrek so that it will be "unique" – it’s not right now but will at some point be.
This is the first admission I have seen that you and your henchmen put up your ‘new’ site when it was still a ‘work in progress.’ There must have been another initiative like http://www.backpacki… or http://www.guidefore… ‘breathing down your neck’ for you to have done that. Is my analysis correct?? Which will be your next Victim??

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Eddie,

I’ll be gone for two weeks, will you be able to fend off the Eurotrek crypteia by yourself ??

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My take is this :

The design of the other board is much better, there are people who want to help and are entirely capable of answering almost any question (oldlady and seraph) and there is actually an administration that can make changes. Here, it took one of the moderators a year between posts. And that is one of the most recent activities.

If some people here want to read into people agendas, they can do that all they want, but it makes little sense to me.

I applaud hope for actually doing something rather than complaining about everything non stop.

Of course, to each their own.

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I applaud hope for actually doing something rather than complaining about everything non stop.

Alas, the latter takes much less effort and energy and I enjoy it.

And anyway, she didn’t do jack, she followed Auher who done the monumental (blunder?), actually making the break.

I don’t think lemmings should be picking up any plaudits.

Hope’s a glory hunter, her entire life is a quest to impress a world that frankly doesn’t give a toss but she fails to realize that basic universal fact…… that deserves a super slap rather than applause

I’d have been more impressed if she hit the new site with DOS attack than set it up, would have revealed more than a one dimensional character that feeds purely on praise (of 140 cyber nerds no less, what presses your buttons baby!)

Should change your name to Toenails boy coz that’s all we can see of you up to the event horizon of her ringo! That deserves a slap too.

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quote:Hope’s a glory hunter, her entire life is a quest to impress a world that frankly doesn’t give a toss but she fails to realize that basic universal fact…… that deserves a super slap rather than applause
You are a fucking asshole, and that is the only thing that is completely obvious here.

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You didn’t make with a DOS attack either? But I guess we already covered that one.

Like I said, good on her for doing something. You’d rather just wind up others from the safety of your work place. Fair enough, I respect that.

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Fair enough, I respect that.

No you don’t, stop being politically correct and passively annoying

Be more like Hope, start writing in big text so your words carry extra weight… get mad!

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jboy writes:

quote:I’ll be gone for two weeks, will you be able to fend off the Eurotrek crypteia by yourself ??
Probably not! From her most recent post after having accused me of being Paranoid:
It appears to me that Hope has gone off the ‘deep end.’
Her outbursts of Profanity make me blush!
Is this the kind of person you would choose to follow??
I hope she is not harmful to herself and that she is getting Professional help.

Have a great time in Thailand: some of us diehard Eurotrip.com Eurotrippers will anxioulsly await your return …

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Have a great time in Thailand: some of us diehard Eurotrip.com Eurotrippers will anxioulsly await your return …[/center]

…And souvenirs!!

Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, and end up getting charged double.

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Is this the kind of person you would choose to follow??
…into a toilet cubicle for a quick blowjob if offered, maybe?

Into the deseret to find the promised land..?…. only if she had Sat Nav perhaps.

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I hope she is not harmful to herself and that she is getting Professional help.

Well she does fall over and bang her head now and then, a few football
teams and hockey players are always there trying to give her a dig out in the bars & clubs… she should be alright

quote:Have a great time in Thailand: some of us diehard Eurotrip.com Eurotrippers will anxioulsly await your return …

Don’t worry Eddie I’ll be back, maybe with a tit job and a front, back, sac and crack wax wearing high heels, me always love you long time old boy … for 5 dola!

Are you paranoid now Eddie ???

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Sorry I can’t help you with your trip.

I saw a website somewhere in nightlife here that rated whore houses around the world. You’ll have to fend for yourself.

Wonder if they will rebuild the one on the coast that got blown away by Katrina.

Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, and end up getting charged double.

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Maybe my two cents are not worth much because I recently joined this board BUT what the hell. Just a few thoughts from a newbie.

1. eurotrip has a ton of great info and it seems like a shame that people who were a part of creating that now appear to want to halt the sharing of information about travel, at least on this site.

2. i must have joined very soon after the boards split. I was planning on joining both-however as a somewhat objective newbie, I really got the sense that people on eurotrek were deliberately trying to shut down eurotrip. Why not just let it be? I just got really turned off by all the links and comments people kept posting on eurotrip about eurotrek. And I say this because maybe people will change their tone (which for the most part actually does seem to be happening!) I think the motivation to start the new board and put up links was likely good to begin with but then it just got silly.

3. Because the format is so similar (almost identical, even the names are almost the same) it may feel to some that both cannot happily exist. It does sound like eurotrek has plans in the works to help distinguish itself from eurotrip. Even if that does happen, you will not be able to recreate all this information so I think it would be nice if somewhere on eurotrek there was a link to eurotrip! gasp..call me crazy!

4. And finally, these are supposed to be useful and informative sites about traveling in Europe, with some interesting “pub” action thrown in. Let’s get back to that please, I have a trip to plan! Thanks to everyone past and present, new board old board, who have contributed to eurotrip. Hopefully I don’t get “yelled” at…some of you are kinda scary!

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Maybe my two cents are not worth much because I recently joined this board BUT what the hell. Just a few thoughts from a newbie.

1. eurotrip has a ton of great info and it seems like a shame that people who were a part of creating that now appear to want to halt the sharing of information about travel, at least on this site.

2. i must have joined very soon after the boards split. I was planning on joining both-however as a somewhat objective newbie, I really got the sense that people on eurotrek were deliberately trying to shut down eurotrip. Why not just let it be? I just got really turned off by all the links and comments people kept posting on eurotrip about eurotrek. And I say this because maybe people will change their tone (which for the most part actually does seem to be happening!) I think the motivation to start the new board and put up links was likely good to begin with but then it just got silly.

3. Because the format is so similar (almost identical, even the names are almost the same) it may feel to some that both cannot happily exist. It does sound like eurotrek has plans in the works to help distinguish itself from eurotrip. Even if that does happen, you will not be able to recreate all this information so I think it would be nice if somewhere on eurotrek there was a link to eurotrip! gasp..call me crazy!

4. And finally, these are supposed to be useful and informative sites about traveling in Europe, with some interesting “pub” action thrown in. Let’s get back to that please, I have a trip to plan! Thanks to everyone past and present, new board old board, who have contributed to eurotrip. Hopefully I don’t get “yelled” at…some of you are kinda scary!

Jordan,

You are absolutely right, we did get carried away with the advertising for EuroTrek when we first started. I’m as much to blame as any for that, once I had read on here that new members couldn’t sign up, I created that temporary board on proboards, and it went from there. Basically I was just posting a lot to let those who were interested in being a part of a community where they could actually be a PART, know about it. I never had other ambitions at the time. Truthfully (and I know it’s been construed as this), it wasn’t my goal to bring down Eurotrip.. I agree, I used ET a TON to plan when I backpacked Euro the first few times!! But things have changed, and the community isn’t what it once was, for the principal reason being that there are few involved moderators anymore, and the board is out-dated.

I agree with you on one thing very much. I don’t want EuroTrek to just turn into a new &quotub." That has been done before, and while I think it is a fun part of the board, it’s not the reason for it’s existance. I barely ever used to post on ET’s pub in the past, I’ve always been a favorite places kinda guy.

I’m glad that you notice that we’ve stopped with the agressive linking. It’s true, we have. MiM came back, and while I don’t understand the timing, as I’d been emailing people for months before trying to get some order back on the boards, I respect her moderation, and I immediatly stopped guerilla marketing.

As I’ve said to many before on here, I’m not going to beg for people to join up at Eurotrek. We don’t give people "happy punch" which makes them come over to the site. The fact is they have a choice. If you like what you see when you post at Eurotrek, keep doing it. If you don’t, why not contact some of us there, because we can make changes. That’s the real reason for the new site. As members have been wanting new things (the photo forum for example), we can actually create them, and offer image links which are currently facilitating a photo contest.

Hope this all makes a bit more sense to you. I can see how as a new member, coming into all this, it might be a bit confusing. But I’d encourage you to check out what all websites have to offer, and choose a community that you feel a part of. And once you feel you have some to contribute, to give back as well.

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quote:MiM came back, and while I don’t understand the timing, as I’d been emailing people for months before trying to get some order back on the boards, I respect her moderation, and I immediatly stopped guerilla marketing.

You have, and thanks. But I’m actually a guy — sorry if I dissapointed anyone.

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Woops, for whatever reason I thought MiM was a she. Glad that you’ve noticed MiM. And glad you’re back to moderate in FP. It was getting like the wild west in there.

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Tell me about it.

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Where is your saviour now Eurotrippers???

In Thailand! On an ASIAtrip!

Loyalty schmolaty!

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quote:MiM came back, and while I don’t understand the timing, as I’d been emailing people for months before trying to get some order back on the boards, I respect her moderation, and I immediatly stopped guerilla marketing.

You have, and thanks. But I’m actually a guy — sorry if I dissapointed anyone.

Holy shit!!!!!! The MiM’s a dude??? Well what the phuck kinda name is that for a dude???????

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