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Lowest price for a 1-way, SEA to CDG?
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Looking to fly one-way from SeaTac to Charles de Gaulle in spring of 2011. I used ITA’s Matrix planner and found $385 occasionally throughout April of 2011, flying Icelandair. Looks pretty good to me, but I was wondering if the brainpower in this forum could spot anything better! Don, you’re sort of the airfare prodigy around here so your advice (is the price right?) is particularly helpful. Thanks!

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I’ve seen Icelandair sometimes cheaper from consolidator Airdeals.com. In fact, I’d shop it with several consolidators, such as Flights, 1800flyEurope, Cheaptickets. I doubt you’ll do much, if any, better than $385 for this ticket.

You have European passport, or long-term visa, yes? Or proof of onward travel? Otherwise, one-way ticket could create problems at check-in and/or border.

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Thanks, I’ll look around and compare. I’m not expecting for much cheaper, but an extra $30 is still an extra $30.

I don’t have any of those yet. I’ll need to cook up proof of onward travel, as that is my plan. The idea is to spend a few months walking the Grande Randonnee in France and then decide where to go from there—potentially overland to E Asia to teach ESL for a year, as I have a contact in Korea with jobs just waiting to be filled.

What would suffice as proof of onward travel? I’m not going to pre-buy plane tickets to Seoul or anything, as that would limit the term of travel in France, and part of the beauty to me is in flexible plans. Does proof of decent bank account funds suffice to say, “I won’t go unemployed and leach off your country’s system”?

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Check the “nifty visa checking tool” thread pinned at top of this forum. Bus, train, flight, ferry out of Schengen showing paid with departure date within 90 days of arrival, should suffice on this point when you first enter the country. However, each country does exercise it’s own discretion within the ideas of an “open” Schengen border. If you show up looking or smelling like a vagabond without a shower for a week, with enough stuff that it’s quite obvious you’re not just on a visit, then that will likely trigger additional questioning. This might request proofs of insurance, sufficient funds for your stay, a clear lodging plan, and of course the proof of onward travel.

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So if I show up with a one-way ticket, lodging plans for the night, a small pack, clean shave and express an interest in lots of onward travel, they’ll probably usher me along with warnings that if I dawdle too long in their country, I’ll receive no help?

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I can’t guarantee exactly what any person’s experience will be. I can just point you to the laws regarding tourist entries, and share from my personal experiences—which are many—with European borders.

A clear lodging plan is more than the first night — it is for the duration of your stay if requested, reserved and paid, with the receipt on you when you arrive, so it can be confirmed. Keep in mind that the country of your border entry could also require proof of sufficient funds for the duration of your stay.

It’s more than expressing an interest in onward travel; it’s proof of onward travel within the allowed tourist days—and it needs to jive what what you tell them your plans are. Proof is paid reservation on you when you show up at the border entry. The risk is getting denied entry if you do not comply with their entry requirements, up to 2000 Euro fine, ban from re-entry, a big red X on your passport which will make any subsequent border crossings hell for you as long as you have that passport, and returned home at your own expense on a last minute one-way flight. Your airline probably will ban you from flying with them again, since you agreed to sort out all of this stuff before they hand you a boarding card—it’s in your contract of carriage when you purchase the flight. The airline will also be fined.

That said… could you enter on a one-way and hope they don’t give rip that day? Of course. But if they do, don’t come crying back here that no one ever warned you of the risks.

Just pay 10 Euros now for a cheap Ryanair ticket out of Schengen within 90 days of your arrival, and have it on you when you show up at the border. Think of it as a form of trip insurance for only 10 Euros. Mind you, you could still get snagged on exit, but a good story would probably be more useful at that point.

Of course you could also apply now for a longer-stay tourist visa. Pay your fee, jump through the hoops, send them lots of papers, and hope for a “yes.”

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BTW, I’ve been looking for you but don’t see anything better than booking it for $385 direct from Icelandair.com. ICYDK… you can book a free stopover in Iceland up to 3 (or maybe now it’s 7?) days at no additional airfare — but it has to show available and book direct from Icelandair for this option.

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I did not know about that! (the long Iceland layover) That’s very interesting. I’ll have to look into it; I’d love to spend a few days there.

As for the “proof” of onward travel/sufficient funds, I get what you’re saying. Better be safe than sorry, of course. If I really can find a dirt cheap Ryanair ticket, then perfect, I’ll just do that. And hell, who knows, I might even wind up wanting to catch the flight after all. I didn’t realize how harsh they come down on you if they think you’re a degenerate moocher or something. I arrived in Calais to hop on the ferry to Dover to fly out of London that very same day, but I hadn’t printed off my tickets yet and thus had no concrete proof that I was leaving the UK in a timely manner…and the woman just put a “temporary” stamp on my passport. Effectively, it only gave me 2 legal days in England. After that, if I was still around (and caught), I’d be in trouble.

That was my only previous experience with insufficient proof, and it seemed pretty relaxed. I’d definitely rather not arrive in CDG only to discover they’re way stricter south of the Channel, so I’ll be planning accordingly!

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Yep, UK and Ireland are pretty strict. Sounds like you’re on top of it. We occasionally get folks asking for help with their “I’m gonna show up in Europe and work!” or “I dunno know, whatever” plans, and that just doesn’t cut it with border controls getting tighter. I’d rather just warn of the realities so they really think through what they’re doing (and so I don’t waste my time trying to find them a ticket for an imaginary trip!). But sounds like you’re working around the potential obstacles.

Be on lookout for those Ryanair 5 or 10 Euro tax included specials.

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Yeahhh I know what you mean…there are plenty of delusions of grandeur about packing up a breadcrust and pocketknife and waltzing over to work in Europe like in the “old days” (whenever that may have been). I’m hoping to have a sizable amount saved up by then—enough to last a year or more—and that, coupled with some random cheap flight out of Schengen a few months out and possibly and extended tourist visa, I’m hoping will be enough to get me through the gates.

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I’ve been doing some homework, and, well…is this you, Don???

“Some (often, not always) low-cost ways to get there/back:

Air India (Paris CDG-EWR, London LHR-JFK)
FlyGlobespan (Liverpool-JFK)
Aer Lingus (Dublin/Shannon-JFK/BOS/BWI)
Zoom (London LGW-JFK)
Kuwait Airways (LHR-JFK)
Pakistan International (Manchester-JFK)

From that list, Air India from Newark to Paris means you land in the Schengen zone and basically avoid the UK immigration scrum. Every time I’ve landed in Paris, I’ve been smiled at, stamped, and sent on my way. Landing in Glasgow from Poland on my way home to California meant a ten-minute grilling about which bus/ferry combination, exactly, I was taking in ten days to get off The Sceptered Isle; apparently the immigration guy wasn’t happy that I hadn’t booked the tickets yet even though I had my tickets from France back to LA!

Another thought – if you land in one of the Schengen countries (dark blue as of right now on this map), would you not just need evidence of leaving the Schengen countries, not going back to America? Perhaps a ten-euro Ryanair flight from the boonies of France or Germany to a non-Schengen destination (light blue/gray countries), which you actually never use?

Finally: never buy a plane ticket without checking ITAsoftware. Never.
posted by mdonley at 8:08 PM on April 16, 2007 [2 favorites]”

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Nawp, but it sounds like I’ve got a fan — or at least a (great?!) mind thinking alike. The airline info is outdated. Globespan and Zoom are out of biz at least a couple years each.

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Haha I saw the “don” in there and I started to wonder. It seems the UK is, as a whole, the most strict (aside from the US, maybe?) about entering the country on a one-way ticket…so I think I’ll make sure to fly into CDG, with all the paperwork and proof I can muster, and hope for a warm welcome. Thanks for the help; maybe others planning on jetting off and “working in Europe” will take a glance and make better plans!

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A follow-up: I’ve been searching Ryanair.com for possible cheap tickets out of Schengen during the June/July 2011 timeframe…and I keep striking out. Am I too early, or am I perhaps just picking bad dates/airports to fly in/out of? I’ve tried every Paris —> Ireland combination I can think of, over a period of one week in June, and I got nothing. Are there any consolidators that track Ryanair flights?

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You’re probably too early for the really cheap flight offers. Skyscanner will help you find them: http://www.skyscanne… Tip: search from an entire country to an entire country (or “UK”), or to “everywhere,” over an entire month. Also, consider looking for the cheapest from any Schengen to any non-Schengen. The really cheap June offers probably won’t start to be posted until January or later, but doesn’t hurt to bookmark Skyscanner and just check in 1-2 times a week to see what turns up. If you can find Ryanair for 10 Euros all in, for example, before Jan., then I’d say go for it.

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Cool, I’ll keep a lookout. Thanks again!

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