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Pat Robertson calls for Hugo Chavez' assasination
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http://www.usatoday….

It’s getting pretty crazy between the US and Venezuela. Chavez is talking shit every other day, and now the most influential evangelical is calling to take him out. Yet there’s this financial dependancy both countries have on each other while they hate each other’s guts. I think Robertson and Chavez are both idiots myself.

Did anyone hear Hugehead Chavez’s comment the other day about Cuba not being a dictorship, but rather a "revolutionary democracy"? Wow, talk about an Orwellian twist on language. And I thought Karl Rove had a way with wording things.

I’ll say one thing, if this was the height of the Cold War, Chavez would be long gone.

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I think Chavez is an intelligent man, he realizes that getting into bed with the USA is detrimental to any countries well being, pissing them off takes less energy, is more fun and you’re none the better off

The USA is a parasite on the ass of the rest of the world and Chavez isn’t going to be whoring it up with you lot Modulis so get over it.

Personally I find it all so refreshing

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Excerpts from Robertson’s speech to the ’700 Club:’

quote:"You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it," Robertson said. "It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop."

"We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability," Robertson said.

This comes from someone who claims to be a Christian Evangelist??
quote:"We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," he continued. "It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with."
He may think these thoughts but it’s Gauche to express them publicly.

Maybe he is just ‘testing the waters’ for the President?

Unless there’s something that doesn’t meet the eye here, the man is a ‘nut case,’ a candidate for the ‘funny farm!’

BTW
I wonder about his views on Saddam Hussein before that Dictator was toppled …


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Two of the Ten Commandments immediately come to mind:
6. "You shall not murder"
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house".

So much for family values, but I am happy that these con-artists in politician’s and preacher’s clothing are being exposed for the frauds they are.

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I think Chavez is an intelligent man, he realizes that getting into bed with the USA is detrimental to any countries well being, pissing them off takes less energy, is more fun and you’re none the better off

The USA is a parasite on the ass of the rest of the world and Chavez isn’t going to be whoring it up with you lot Modulis so get over it.

Au contraire, if he hates us, yet sells the majority of his oil to us in order to fund his social programs, why isn’t that "whoring it up"?

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… I’m sure the Chinese would gladly buy his oil….. whoring up is dropping your pants, allowing troops and airbases in and leaders taking GWB up the ass.

If we go by your definition, anybody who trades is whore?

Don’t think so.

BTW: I’d rather have Chavez as a Leader than GWB, and least he has the peoples interests at heart, not a few rich cronies!

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… I’m sure the Chinese would gladly buy his oil….. whoring up is dropping your pants, allowing troops and airbases in and leaders taking GWB up the ass.

If we go by your definition, anybody who trades is whore?

Don’t think so.

BTW: I’d rather have Chavez as a Leader than GWB, and least he has the peoples interests at heart, not a few rich cronies!

Sure, but Chavez’s idea of "democracy" is a half century long dictatorship. Be careful what you ask for.

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I think Chavez is an intelligent man, he realizes that getting into bed with the USA is detrimental to any countries well being, pissing them off takes less energy, is more fun and you’re none the better off

The USA is a parasite on the ass of the rest of the world and Chavez isn’t going to be whoring it up with you lot Modulis so get over it.

Personally I find it all so refreshing

I completely disagree with the general idea of this post, but the way it’s written, man, this is a master post!!!!!

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Sure, but Chavez’s idea of "democracy" is a half century long dictatorship. Be careful what you ask for.

Doesn’t your leaders love that, installing murderous dictatorships ?? Problem is this one isn’t murderous and towing the party line is he???

What about getting the oil for free, a little airbase or two and wall street gets to enslave the nation in sprawling sweatshops ??

Ah yes, Moddy, the shit you put to the back of your mind you numbnut
to ease the conscience.

Modulis, the day is coming when the USA will be a Chinese Communist annex, perhaps a hard labour camp and I’ll be sure to drop you mail or pop over and visit, as a member of the travelling Politburo.

You’ll love it, less brainwashing and indoctrination than you are experiencing now my fool!

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Sure, but Chavez’s idea of "democracy" is a half century long dictatorship. Be careful what you ask for.

Doesn’t your leaders love that, installing murderous dictatorships ?? Problem is this one isn’t murderous and towing the party line is he???

What murderous dictator are we installing somewhere? So J-biyatch, do you agree with Chavez’s claim that Cuba is a democracy? Let’s hear it.

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I was going for elitist in a way in this thread.

That is, to be over the top as to where the questions to these answers lie. I do think that it boils down to a lot of people not wanting America to be what it is anymore. They want to change it and one of the scapegoats for this is the latino population, legal or not. It used to be the blacks but they’re not as PC to be the scapegoat for the way we let ourselves get it up the ass anymore. Some places in the south are still cool with it though. Then there are the nouveau-riche who look down upon poor white trash and lastly there is the old money who has most of the power in their spheres of influence…democrat and republican alike.

I’m not advocating Communism here but it is very astonishing to me that your average American is so complacent about a lot of fucked up stuff. Yeah sure, we have it better than 100% of the world but this illusion of prosperity keeps us from looking at the issues head-on. So we create little bogeymen like Latino workers who live in relative squalor to most of us and work jobs that pay low to maintain the illusion most Americans have at the supermarket.

My favorite illusion right now is how oil prices are going high and no one mutters much of a word. For some reason, we think that this ‘war on terror’ tribulation is something we ALL have to go through. Of course, oil companies are making record profits because of their monopoly and laughing all the way to the bank every time oil prices have to go up again because of some event…

Then there’s the illusion that Iraq isn’t driving us into the ground fiscally.

Come to think of it, there are a lot of illusions/delusions around right now. I’m just surprised so many people let themselves get seduced by some of the outlandish ‘reasons’ for these issues.

Like Latinos taking over our culture.

One class post Vera, the sentiments of which I’d like to copy over to the Chavez thread. Modulis lives in cloud cuckoo land and need to read what you’ve written

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quote:pissing them off takes less energy, is more fun and you’re none the better off
Not only Chavez, but quite sums up jboy’s philosophy around here too!

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This was irresponsible by Roberston and proof once more that you should NEVER trust a born-again Christian.

Chavez has balls, whereas Robertson is just an idiot.

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Sound like Pat’s been influenced by the M13 Gang out of Tegucigalpa via San Salvador to me. Next thing you know he’ll be conducting his sermons in spanish, eating burritos, and subverting American culture.

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Just read on CNN that Hugo is now offering discounted gasoline to poor Americans. So if I go to the Chavez gas station chain do I have to show them my tax statement to be able to fill up?

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Bible thumper as he may be, he has the rights to his own opinion just like every other American citizen out there. His views are not sanctioned by the U.S. Government so basically everyone making a big deal out of nothing. Can’t believe the Venez-al-quedan’s are taking this seriously and feel threatned by a bible thumper’s comments!!!!!! Give the Herr a fuck’n break!!!!!!!

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quote:pissing them off takes less energy, is more fun and you’re none the better off
Not only Chavez, but quite sums up jboy’s philosophy around here too!

Ahh, but I am the better off for it, more so when I get bloody email too!

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Atomic writes:

quote:Two of the Ten Commandments immediately come to mind:
6. "You shall not murder"
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor’s house".

So much for family values, but I am happy that these con-artists in politician’s and preacher’s clothing are being exposed for the frauds they are.

Number Six in my book is: You shall not commit adultery. The one that prohibits Killing (or murder) is Number Five
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    But, having seen Dubya all chummy with Pat Robertson a week earlier, I repeat what I said in my earlier post:
    quote:Maybe he is just ‘testing the waters’ for the President?

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Ed,

I think a lot of what Chavez says is very tongue in cheek but you’d be amazed at how much CIA cash and effort will be going into subversion programs in that area, American paranoia has gotten that bad that tax payers money is being shat down the river on public slagging matches

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Sure, but Chavez’s idea of "democracy" is a half century long dictatorship. Be careful what you ask for.

Well at least he was elected fair and square as opposed to winning because the votes in the key state were counted by his brother! His idea of democracy: you mean as opposed to Dubyas idea of democracy ie invade foreign countries and who cares if about 10.000 people die along the way not to mention the patriot act or other such authoritarian gems introduced under the guise of protecting the country?

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Sure, but Chavez’s idea of "democracy" is a half century long dictatorship. Be careful what you ask for.

Well at least he was elected fair and square as opposed to winning because the votes in the key state were counted by his brother! His idea of democracy: you mean as opposed to Dubyas idea of democracy ie invade foreign countries and who cares if about 10.000 people die along the way not to mention the patriot act or other such authoritarian gems introduced under the guise of protecting the country?

Here we go with crap again.

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Crap or that feeling that gnaws at your insides and makes you feel really uncomfortable…or both maybe.

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It’s now 2005 and he’s still debating the 2000 election, good lord. Now it was all a conspiracy by Jeb Bush.

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It’s now 2005 and he’s still debating the 2000 election, good lord. Now it was all a conspiracy by Jeb Bush.

Yeah, it’s 2005 and you’re still discussing the 1930’s.

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It’s now 2005 and he’s still debating the 2000 election, good lord. Now it was all a conspiracy by Jeb Bush.

Yep it annoys you when it gets pointed out that you’re trying to impose YOUR version of democracy on the rest of the world when YOUR version of democracy is far from perfect, doesn’t it? Too bad.

And don’t even get me started on redistricting or campaign finance!

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MSNBC News, 24 Aug 2005:

quote:Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson apologized Wednesday for calling for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, only hours after he denied saying Chavez should be killed.
Once again, this Charletan speaks out against the Christian Principles he is supposed to be putting forward: He Lied! He owes Hugo Chavez an apology, as well as the American public!
quote:“Is it right to call for assassination?” Robertson said. “No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him.”
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quote:I think a lot of what Chavez says is very tongue in cheek but you’d be amazed at how much CIA cash and effort will be going into subversion programs in that area, American paranoia has gotten that bad that tax payers money is being shat down the river on public slagging matches
Your definition of ‘tongue in cheek’ may differ from mine: Hugo Chavez is taking and defending a stance against the U.S. and its President. He is not mincing his words. And he is winning! There’s nothing ‘tongue in cheek’ about that.

Look for many, many Supertankers taking Venezuela’s oil out of the Hemisphere (i.e., to China) and the U.S. can’t do squat about it.

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Eddie,

Chavez calling GWB a ‘pendejo’ is hardly stating intent.

One thing for sure, the people love this guy, unlike Bush who’s dumbing down Amwerica and slipping consititutional changes through without the general population knowing Chavez on the other hand:

quote: Mission Robinson and Mission Sucre to increase literacy and basic education. The literacy programs are centered on learning to read, and understand the Venezuelan Constitution and their inherent rights as Venezuelan citizens. These programs have been criticized as inefficient and incomplete by opposition figures but are widely heralded and appreciated by Chávez backers and by many international observers.

and what this guy does with the the taxpayers money and oil revenues, compare that to the USA and GWB, tax breaks for the top 5%, Halliburton and Exxon profits, Lockheed Martin profits up, funded by thr tax payers where thr ich are contributing less & less

quote:
Oil profits — about 25 billion dollars in 2004 — allowed Mr. Chávez to carry out what he calls a "new socialist revolution." The leftist platform includes massive social spending. Hugo Chávez has built free health care clinics, subsidized food and created small manufacturing cooperatives. Political scientist Michael Shifter says these projects have galvanized his core supporters — the poor — who make up around 60 percent of the country’s population.

I know who I’d rather have as president and look at the popularity poll ratings 70+% for Chavez, Americans hate Bushs guts!
At least Chavez fixes things and has his people are heart instead of blaming the rest of the world for Americas problems and starting phoney wars to line the pockets of his cronies!

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quote: Yeah sure, we have it better than 100% of the world

really? How do you feel you are better off than the average Belgian, Canadian, Australian, or pick your first world country?

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Look for many, many Supertankers taking Venezuela’s oil out of the Hemisphere (i.e., to China) and the U.S. can’t do squat about it.

That’s what he would like to do, if he could cut the US off of oil and sell to 100% to China, he’d do it in a second, but logistically, it is much harder to get it to China, they have to ship it around the horn of S. America and then thousands upon thousands of miles across the Pacific at its widest point. Whereas the US market is pretty much right in his backyard. So for now, the US will continue to be his greatest buyer. He can’t do anything about it because he needs US oil sales to fund his social programs.

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and what this guy does with the the taxpayers money and oil revenues, compare that to the USA and GWB, tax breaks for the top 5%, Halliburton and Exxon profits, Lockheed Martin profits up, funded by thr tax payers where thr ich are contributing less & less

The problem with Venezuela is the same problem you have in other major oil producing nations. Other than oil, they basically have nothing else. Some Venezuelans are looking to diversify their economy. The long term outlook for these oil-exporting countries is dim, because as oil supply tightens and other competing energies become economically more viable, they will see their oil revenues start to fall. We will see all this within our lifetime. So Mr. Chavez can continue his tirade and call people &quotendejos" or whatever, but in the end, the US is a nation with a very diverse economy that doesn’t depend on any one thing. Something that can’t be said of his nation.

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If ya guys want to hear a really good and comprehensive broadcast on all these topics we’re discussing here, check this out:

http://www.kcrw.org/…

It’s about 30mins long and about 15 mins in. They talk about Robertson’s comments, neoliberal policies in Latin America, the resurgence of the left, US/Venezuela relations, how Latin America views the US policies, etc. Very good material stuffed into half an hour.

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quote: So Mr. Chavez can continue his tirade and call people &quotendejos" or whatever, but in the end, the US is a nation with a very diverse economy that doesn’t depend on any one thing. Something that can’t be said of his nation.

That might be a reasonable point but even if true, then how does that justify his assassination or U.S. meddling in the affairs of a sovereign country?

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but in the end, the US is a nation with a very diverse economy that doesn’t depend on any one thing. Something that can’t be said of his nation.

Ah, Modulis, that’s rubbish, your economy is all the more based on oil,
why do you think the big military push and weapons research program.

You are also at the mercy of Chinese & foreign investment, if the Chinese don’t buy govt bonds, you’re a third world country overnight, already explained that your economy is already fucked and on the brink of collaspe, Venezuela is in much better shape, they aren’t trillions of dollars in debt, and that isn’t even taking into account consumer debt, that’s government debt alone! If the world choses to buy oil in euros or Yen, it’s good night Vienna as well.

Get out of your bubble boy!

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Venezuela is in better economic shape than the US? That’s a first. Uh, you do realize that the US is a 1st world nation, right?

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Perhaps the world would be better-off without Chavez??? Just because it is true, that senile old fart should not have said it… Rovertson has had the "Oops, did I say that out loud" syndrome for many, many yrs…

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And if someone says the same about Bush or the Americants, boy do some people get angry about that.

Gooses and ganders you silly mother gooses!

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Bush gets torn-up in the media, and in pubs across America – each and every day… It’s not just the rest of the world, he is not very popular right now. About 60% of the nation now thinks Iraq was avery expensive mistake, and that it is directly responsible for sky-rocketing fuel prices…

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Yes, but what about a well known figure from another country saying Bush should be assassinated?

Is that okay?

Perhaps the world would be better off without Bush…

Now, if some Muslim said that in Britain, people here would be calling for his deportation.. regardless where he was born!

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sickboy should be deported back to canada for persistent drunken and disordly behaviour!

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That’s why I was asked to leave in the first place!

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Sick: People can "say" whatever they want to… However, if the authorities deem that threat to be real, they will take that individual out… Chavez could not get to the Asst. D.A. on Curacao – much less the Pres. of the U.S. BIG difference here…

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Fair enough.

Perhaps Muslims should be happy they are perceived as being so honest and serious.

I guess most people already know the Christian is full of shit!

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Sunskin, you’re full of shit.

If someone came out and publically SAID they supported the assassination of Bush the Secret Service would be all over them. Hell, a guy in New Mexico was arrested and interrogated for hours because he used a computer at the local library that had a previous user saying such things. Secret Service arrived and the man had to wade through a barrage of whatever it is they ask you when they arrest you for saying such things.

How this lone library computer in New Mexico constituted a ‘real threat’ to them is beyond me.

I don’t support Robertson-esque rhetoric for any national leader and I would NEVER say it if I did.*

*Secret Service alert sentence so this post doesn’t perk their ears because I used the A word in the same sentence as the B word.

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Hell, a guy in New Mexico was arrested and interrogated for hours because he used a computer at the local library that had a previous user saying such things. Secret Service arrived and the man had to wade through a barrage of whatever it is they ask you when they arrest you for saying such things.

How this lone library computer in New Mexico constituted a ‘real threat’ to them is beyond me.

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Another cite:

http://www.bordc.org…

The original article ran in the American Libraries Association publication.

What you SAY, what you READ, what you TYPE—all that shit is being watched well enough that some typing on a computer in Santa Fe can bring in the fuzz in minutes.

Pretty efficient eh?

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VeraCocha writes:

quote:… What you SAY, what you READ, what you TYPE—all that shit is being watched well enough that some typing on a computer in Santa Fe can bring in the fuzz in minutes.
Makes me wonder which of you people is monitoring messages on the Eurotrip Pub …

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Some people even want to prosecute you for what you wear.

http://www.herald-di…

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Another web incident…

http://news.com.com/…

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Even not saying the RIGHT thing is problematic:

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When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”

At Neel’s trial, police detective John Ianachione testified that the Secret Service told local police to confine “people that were there making a statement pretty much against the president and his views” in a so-called free speech area. Paul Wolf, one of the top officials in the Allegheny County Police Department, told Salon that the Secret Service “come in and do a site survey, and say, ‘Here’s a place where the people can be, and we’d like to have any protesters put in a place that is able to be secured.’” Pennsylvania district judge Shirley Rowe Trkula threw out the disorderly conduct charge against Neel, declaring, “I believe this is America. Whatever happened to ‘I don’t agree with you, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it’?”

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Damn, Vera! You’re on the job today, aren’t ya?

You’re scaring me, man. It’s Sunday. Even the productive president and his staff need a day off.

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[Ahem!] Back to the topic, though:

This one is sure to ruffle a few feathers.

http://www.cnn.com/2…