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What is the 90 day 6 month Schengen rule really mean
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Read it and weep. It didn’t use to matter. Now all Schengen countries share electronically information about “over-stayers”. So, prehaps it does matter these days.

“If you are a citizen of a country with no visa requirement to enter a Schengen member country, you can also stay in the Schengen region for a maximum of 90 days per 6 months.

The six-month period is calculated from the date of first entry into the Schengen region. Both the entire day of the date of entry and the entire day of the date of exit are included in the number of days you have stayed in the Schengen region – regardless of the time of day the entry or exit took place.

The date of ‘first entry’ is:

* the date on which you entered the Schengen region for the first time, and subsequently * the date of any subsequent entry into the Schengen region which takes place after the expiration of a six-month period.

Example of ‘first entry’

If you arrive for the first time in Denmark or another Schengen country on 1 February 2008, you can stay in the Schengen region for a period of three months (90 days) within the six-month period which ends on 31 July 2008.

If you return again on 1 October 2008 – i.e. more than six months after your very first entry into the Schengen region – this date will constitute a new ‘first entry’. Therefore, 1 October 2008 constitutes the beginning of a new six-month period during which you can stay in the Schengen region for a period of up to three months.

If you arrive again on 1 June 2009, it will be this date which constitutes the next date of ‘first entry’, and so on.

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I’m getting real confused. I’m a frequent traveler to the Netherlands and would like to know when I can legally go back again.

Please tell me which one of these scenarios is valid.

Factors
1st visit
6th March – 24th March = 19 days
2nd visit
3rd May – 11th July = 70 *Total *= 89 days

Scenario 1
If my 180 days validity starts from date of entry and total days in the country is 89 whereas total grace period out of the country from date of entry is so far an accumulated 68 days (25th March – 2nd May = 39 days + 12th July – 10th August = 29 days), does that mean in another 22 days or 1st September (making up an accumulated grace period of 90 days) I should have no problems flying back?

Scenario 2
If I spend 90 days out of the country from my last date of exit, 11th July, does this mean I can fly back on 9th October?

Scenario 3
If my 180 days validity starts from date of entry, that means my validity starts from 6th March and ends on 1st September. That means my travels above are within the time frame. Do I now have to wait 90 more days before my next entry? If so, does that mean I can only go back from 1st December?

PLEASE HELP! I’m getting more desperate as this gets more and more confusing.

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Pretty sure that when Schengen rules where written nobody thought so deeply. At some point I’ve tried to read the official text and whenever this rule is discussed it’s always “from the date of first entry.” As if nobody goes back again, and again, and again…
I would think that scenario 1 involves too much math to discuss with an immigration officer. Scenario 2 seems to be a bit safer, however if the clock restarts on the day you enter it is still not totally safe. Scenario 3 is bullet-proof, but what about

Scenario 4
On September 21 it will be 180 since you left on March 24, so that trip first no longer counts. Arguably, you may enter again as long as stay for less then 20 days.

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Oops. Missed the entire Frihed’s post above. According to what he says, you need to count 180 days from March 6th, and that makes September 2nd. So on September 2nd you have the new 90 in 180 days.
Still, I’m curious where that clarification comes from: from an official sourse, or just from folks like ourselves?