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What the hell is going on?
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Virginia Tech Shooting What is going on? When I was in school all we had to worry about was someone siphoning gas out of out car. When did shooting people become an option?

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When did shooting people become an option?
Kent State.

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The body count has risen. It’s in the 30’s now, and it’s probably going to rise again.

All I can say is..

wtf America.

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Have they blamed Marilyn Mason and video games yet???
 
I am so surprised America still loves their guns.
 
 

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Bush and the whitehouse are “horrified.”  But who is to blame?  Who is the enemy of Ameericuh’s students? 
 
In any account, I bet Micheal Moore is running around the sporting goods section of a wal-mart with a video camera and a hard-on. 

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Each student and staff member with US citizenship (and no felonies) also had the legal right to carry a concealed handgun, and Good Samaritan laws would have enabled said student(s) to use it in self-defense if met with life-threatening danger. That said, of course it’s not a great idea for everyone to have concealed weapons—especially on a university campus. But it’s the threat of not knowing if your potential victim might be able to return deadly force with deadly force that keeps many criminals in check. Burglaries and thieving doesn’t happen so much in affluent suburbuan neighborhoods in the US and A because those residencies often have a handgun for personal protection, and criminals know the laws regarding deadly force are against them the moment they step over, or crawl through, the threshold of a private home.

It’s tragic. Scotland kindergarten. Columbine. Paducah. London. Bali. Madrid. Amish schoolyard…. Life is rarely fair. It makes me sad; it also saddens me that opportunists on both sides (for and against private gun ownership) will have their say for the next 2 weeks in every news outlet you can imagine, and in 3 weeks we’ll be oversaturated and “gun-ownership-fatigued” in much the same way we got OJ fatigue, then Clinton fatigue, then Iraq fatigue….

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 Burglaries and thieving doesn’t happen so much in affluent suburbuan neighborhoods in the US and A because those residencies often have a handgun for personal protection, and criminals know the laws regarding deadly force are against them the moment they step over, or crawl through, the threshold of a private home.


Do you really think most suburban Americans are packing heat? Ugh, I hope not. I hate guns but realize that America will never give up her weaponry.

Burglary and thieving does happen in affluent suburban neighborhoods because that’s where the good stuff is; however, usually it is petty crimes committed kids who live there.  If big-time burglary occurs, it is often in the day time when everyone is gone or wee hours when everyone is asleep—and they will often pick corner houses. (I know, they once picked my mom and dad’s place.)

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It makes me sad; it also saddens me that opportunists on both sides (for and against private gun ownership) will have their say for the next 2 weeks in every news outlet you can imagine, and in 3 weeks we’ll be oversaturated and “gun-ownership-fatigued” in much the same way we got OJ fatigue, then Clinton fatigue, then Iraq fatigue…

Yes.
I am sure the NRA are working up their line of defense, if they haven’t already, and indignant gun control people are typing away.
Those poor kids.

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Do you really think most suburban Americans are packing heat? Ugh, I hope not. I hate guns but realize that America will never give up her weaponry.

 
Yep.  I can’t think of anyone that doesn’t have a pistol but me.  (Rifles are typically for hunting, pistols are for defense.)

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Who we gonna blame for this one? George Bush? Evil Amerika? Don Imus? Anyone except the actual shooter, eh? I’m sure the shooter was just the biggest victim in all of this. Watch out for Virginia Tech conspiracy videos hitting YouTube as early as this evening, with Jews and the Illuminati the evil forces that supplied handguns to a resident alien so that Jewish-owned media would make more money with increased viewership during the newest sensational crisis. The Illuminati have scheduled meetings with aliens and this is a distraction as they convene on 4 Corners this week for seminars and workshops on alien-human shared power takeover.

Or, maybe some dumb sick bastard couldn’t control his mind and shot up his girlfriend and a lot of other people? Couldn’t be that simple, could it? Nappy-headed Cho.

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Who we gonna blame for this one?

We have met the enemy and he is us.

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Please explain.

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I think “we” as a whole are the problem. We as a whole are a bit of a crazy world.
No doubt the guy that did it is mentally ill one way or another, and all the right ingredients converged: he had a gun, he had issues, he had a schoolful of kids.

So what’s the solution? Mandatory military training for all undergraduates?[8|]
I have a kid who will be going off to college this year, and I am not about to send him off with a handgun in his backpack.
Ah well, it’s a messed up world with horrible tragedies going on globally all the time, it’s just that this one was in the States.

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This is kind of a helpful site when you’re trying to process this kind of tragedy: The Monkey Sphere

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I see your point, but I don’t agree. Saying that “we” all own this problem sounds like moral relativism, and I don’t buy that. What he did was clearly wrong, but it was a series of choices that Cho made that led to this tragedy. Other kids get dealt worse hands in life, have the same access to everything, and don’t go off on killing sprees. Even Cho must have known his own actions were hopeless, and that society wouldn’t have judged him with a “we all did this” attitude; he took his own life instead of choosing to face the consequences.

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 What he did was clearly wrong, but it was a series of choices that Cho made that led to this tragedy. .

I know—and I see your point. I do hate our gun culture. I know lots of people own them and never use them for the wrong purpose. But we do seem to be an awfully violent country. Methodically violent. Why would anyone do a thing like this? Or this? Pretty screwed up series of choices.

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The fact is, if we’re all really honest about ourselves, each of us is just a short series of choices away from being very evil and vile people. (Let that sink in!). (I’ve been watching Dr. Phil—can you tell??!!). Us older folk (like me!) don’t need long to be convinced.

The acid pranks (links you gave) are monkey-brained things; there was a similar incident on Oslo busses a few weeks ago. 99.999999999% of humans never, and will never, do such a thing. I think I understand what you mean—violence is generally tolerated at higher levels in America than in some other places.

I have some ideas about the remedy, but I’m not sure Pub is the place….

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In this Country, everything is about money.  Money is more important than safety.  That in mind; gun manufacturers are allowed to sell as many guns as they can – to whomever.  They almost literally gift-wrap handguns, then give them to these nutjobs – as they step-off the boat….  Sometimes even before they get their green cards…

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Cho was a resident alien, and that’s good enough to purchase a gun in Virginia. I don’t think that’s right. The 2nd Amendment should apply to US citizens only, in my opinion, not to resident aliens, and the Communistwealth* of Virginia (a play on “Commonwealth”) shouldn’t use States Rights to allow resident aliens legal access to guns. 10 kroner says legislation will be introduced in the Virginia General Assembly for a waiting period for resident aliens to be reinstated. That wouldn’t have made a difference with Cho; 3 days later he would’ve got his gun(s). There’s a lot of good-ol’ boys from rural counties that aren’t going to let a total ban *ever happen in Virginia. Playing on the “foreigner” aspect will easily convince them to vote for waiting period for resident aliens, however (in my opinion).

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Each student and staff member with US citizenship (and no felonies) also had the legal right to carry a concealed handgun, …
Not!!  Most States’ laws regulating handguns allow Citizens to own one or more handguns (Art. 2 of the U.S. Constitution), but require a separate ‘Carry’ Permit to carry a concealed handgun.  An application is required to justify need for a ‘Carry’ permit (and may require a Background investigation).
 
I don’t think the right to own and bear arms is limited to U.S. Citizens.  Anyone legally in the U.S., such as&nbspermanent Resident Alien has those same rights.
 
Both handguns used by the Virginia Tech shooter (Semi-automatic 22 Cal and 9 mm) had the serial #‘s filed off:  they were illegal!  
 
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The anti-gun people will be ‘up in arms’ pushing for tightening Gun ownership laws.  Where is Charlton Heston (when they pry it out of my cold, dead hand) when we need him? 

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Carry’ Permit to carry a concealed handgun. An application is required to justify need for a ‘Carry’ permit (and may require a Background investigation).
I’m fully aware of carry permits; it’s the legal right of US citizens in states and localities that allow them—and Virginia does. They are very easy to obtain if you are not a convicted felon. I know quite a few people with concealed carry permits.
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It depends on which state. My thought, as expressed, is that I do NOT think non-citizens should be afforded the right to bear arms. Apply for and receive citizenship = yes. Non citizen = no. Again, this is how I think it should be (as I expressed), not how it currently is (obviously) in all states.

Why do you think resident aliens—not citizens—of the United States should have the right to purchase and carry guns?

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Ned said, “Both handguns used by the Virginia Tech shooter (Semi-automatic 22 Cal and 9 mm) had the serial #‘s filed off: they were illegal!” (sorry, the quote + my answer that follows are not formatting properly, thus the quotation marks)…

We know that at least one was purchased (legally) from a retailer; the receipt was in Cho’s backpack. As an owner, one has the right to file off the serial number—that is not illegal, unless a specific state mandates otherwise. Only the stupid criminals (oxymoron?) don’t. Law-abiding citizens don’t, in case their gun is ever stolen and turns up in the (stupid) thief’s loot once detained or arrested, so it can be returned to the rightful owner.

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I am debating this same topic in Eurotrek, so I am sorry if this sounds repetitive to someone.
 
Obviously the gun debate is very strong at the moment. I am 100% against guns, but I can see valid opinions on both sides of the debate. I don’t know the gun regulations in my own country because the idea of buying a gun has never crossed my mind. I got a few replies to my questions on the other forum, but it is still not clear to me, hence, I ask again.
 
1) Lets say I want to buy a gun in the US. Will I be asked to show my gun permit/permits upon purchasal? If no, why? (I know the answer, the sellers don’t give a shit and only want to get their money)
 
2) I am a legal citizen/resident in the US. I want to get a gun permit. What are the requirements? Will they run a basic psychological test and background check-up or just charge me a fee and ask for a few days so they can check if I am a convicted felon or not? (which seems to me an unlikely way of measuring the potential danger of someone when not all felonies are commited with violence)
 
Now, where I stand in my other side of the border and the news we get, it appears to me public shootings are becoming more and more recurrent in the US. Wasn’t there a corporate office shooting last week? And an amish school shooting a couple of months ago? There are other countries where guns are legal, and yet this kind of thing does not happen as often, maybe because guns don’t make people commit crimes. Guns don’t affect people in their making a decision or not, because, guns are not our brains. Someone intelligently said guns don’t kill people, people kill people. So, what is making people snap?
 
I have been in very serious and dark states of depression, having suicidal thoughts and one suicide attempt. I have been extremely angry at life, society, government, etc. But I have never ever thought of harming a human being. It blows my mind. What does it take for someone to shoot randomly at people they perhaps don’t even know? People that have not done any harm whatsoever? Where does the mentality of “I’ll take as many as I can with me” come from??? We will never know some of these answers, and the “why’s” and whatnot, but the question is bothering me. And this behaviour coming from what some people refer to as “the best country in the world” makes me ponder many things.
 
Obviously something is going on, the society that has been bred, raised, whatever, is not a happy one. Is it so much war? Violent videogames and TV shows? Repression of thoughts? An ignorant education? The blindfolds the government and the church put on people everyday? The unattainable american dream?

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1. You don’t necessarily have to get a permit before, or after, purchase—it depends on the state. In Virginia, you can go to any shop, give them your drivers license to run a check, money changes hands, you take the gun. There used to be a mandatory 3 day waiting period, but I believe that has changed in some states in the last several years. A retailer must be licensed, and risks losing his/her license to sell if they do not follow procedures properly.

2. You probably don’t need a permit to own a gun. Permits are usually for individuals who want to carry them on their person or in their vehicle. Conceal carry permits usually require a background check carried out by state and/or local police (they run your info to make sure you’ve got no warrants or felonies), must be renewed, and can be revoked. The fine details can vary among states.

I don’t know that this is only a USA phenom. Have you ever seen “Primer Impacto”? That’s some pretty violent news footage, usually with a friendly gunman featured at least 1-2 times per week (if not more). As news reporting becomes more immediate—mobile phone video and ever-improving technology to show us immediately what’s going on, and more news outlets than we’ve ever had in the our world—I think we hear about it more, and more quickly, (and over and over and over again—until we become oversaturated).

Depression is real. Mental illness is slowly losing it’s stigma; it’s not so taboo to talk about seriously any more. That’s progress. I’m not so sure I’d take broad swipes at media, church, education, and government. I think people make their own choices, and as I’ve said before, even people who get dealt much worse circumstances don’t go off on killing sprees. I think mental health education is very important, both in schools and in adult life. I remember in middle school, every week our class was split into 2 smaller groups to go and see the counselor. She talked about topics in a non-threatening way that helped us understand, cope, become aware, and know where we could go if we needed to talk something out. She was very good, very professional, not some “foo-foo pie in the sky hippy-tard”. In work life, I think mental health education takes the form of “Tips to reduce stress” in the company newsletter, and a contract with a counseling service—just enough for the employer to cove it’s as*.

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Bottom line:  The State of VA and many other states in this screwed-up country – will sell a handgun to ANYONE without a laundry list of felonies.  And even then, they can get them from a guy on the street, without much effort.  This nutjob at Va. Tech was obviously disturbed, it was well-documented, and people did nothing.  I see billions of dollars in lawsuits, several firings at the top, and a sharp drop in enrollment at this school coming.

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No, it only takes one felony conviction, or outstanding felony warrant. US Citizen (or legal resident alien), of course.
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True, or at a gun show, or via Trading Post / adverts.

Given the sketchy background information that’s coming to light, what do you think should have been done—without infringing on Cho’s rights to privacy and individuality?

I don’t see lawsuits and enrollment drops; most keep it all in perspective. I do see college kids, high school kids, and we adult-types becoming more aware and sensitive to warning signs in people we know, love, work with.

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I don’t watch Primer Impacto, Don, because it is gruesome and morbid, which does not mean it is not real. I am not saying violence does not ocurr in the rest of the world, I can’t begin to tell you about crime in Mexico, the figures are disturbing. But here we don’t see people dying for no reason other than a crackhead snapped. Usually people here get shot because they got into trouble with someone, or resisted robbery, were unfortunate in being in the wrong moment at the wrong time and got caught between fire, or a serial murderer, etc. But we don’t see very often people just loosing it after getting fired or dumped and getting a gun and shooting people randomly and then killing themselves. This is what stuns me.
 
Now, regulations on guns seem pretty lax to me. I also find it stunning that someone has to be 21+ to buy a beer or cigarrettes, and yet when they turn 18, they are “ready” to go to war. Guns are VERY underestimated in my opinion.

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Agreeing with you in principle. Fine-tuning a detail—16 for tobacco in VA; age can vary by state.

Keep in mind that there are 300 million in America, and it is a media-saturated culture. CNN is everywhere (CNN International have been carrying live feeds of the press conferences, convocation, and vigil from CNN in America). Opportunists around the world will use this incident to support their decision against people having the freedom to purchase and own firearms. It’s human nature. Americans do it, too—glad “we don’t smoke pot and do drugs like all them Holland-people” and “not running around with bones in our noses, slitting throats of the tribe next door and living in dung huts” or “eating dog and bowing to Chairman Mao who supplies all we need.” All cultures take the extremes of things they find foreign, and turn them into charicatures to make themselves feel better about their own choices.

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Yes, I agree that is the actual “written” law Sir Don.  However, we see Celeb’s, Pro Athletes, and other people with money getting pulled-over or caught with a gun all the time, many of these punks having Felony convictions.  They go to curt, usually pay a fine, and that’s it.  There is no real punishment, and no real gun control.

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I know what you mean. Allen Iversen (in his first or second year in the NBA) got pulled over in VA for erratic driving, cop smelled weed, fool didn’t declare he had a handgun in the vehicle, cop makes a litany of all offenses at the scene. In court, the judge dropped the firearms charge, gave him community service for the weed, and enforced a fine for the bad driving, but with one condition. Iversen could do his CS anywhere except this judge’s county, because he didn’t want some NBA star caught with weed giving a free kids basketball camp in his county.

Keep in mind that it’s not illegal to own a gun in the US. The trouble people get is when they are pulled over by La Politi and do not immediately tell the officer(s), “I have a handgun in the glove box” or “I have a handgun under the seat.” Police officers do not like surprises like that, and with or without a Concealed Carry permit, not declaring this immediately is violation of law—in most jurisdictions. If that was the only offense, then most police let them on their way if they seem in good state of mind. If some drugs were found, if the vehicle was being driven erratically, if there is a smell of marijuana, or open containers of alcoholic beverages, etc. then the police start to list every little thing (concealed handgun under the seat, license plate lightbulb out, expired driver license…) especially if the person is not cooperating. They do this to build a stronger case in the hope that more offenses will stick in court.

In summary, ownership and concealed carry permits are different. Any citizen (or resident alien some states, no felony convictions or felony warrants) can own a firearm just about everywhere in the US and A. Concealed carry permits give you the right to carry the gun on your person or in your vehicle, but not all jurisdictions allow concealed weapons, and most require immediate declaration of the firearm if there is any encounter with police. Additionally, a city or county can require registration of the firearm, can require child safety locks, and can require gun be stored in a locked gun safe.

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Its only been what two days?? AND there is already been another shooting in school.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266843,00.html
 
 
way to go America
 

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Its only been what two days?? AND there is already been another shooting in school.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266843,00.html


way to go America


 
It must be the schools!  we have to do something about all of these schools!

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Bring back spanking.

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Its only been what two days?? AND there is already been another shooting in school. … way to go America
What a daft thing to say. Would you say that to the parents of the 16 year old? Would you have preferred he jumped off a building, or jumped out in front of a train?

I guess the next football hooligan stampede death, you’ll be saying “Way to go Europe”, the next throat-slitting genocide you’ll say “Way to go Africa”, the next shark attack on a surfer “Way to go Australia.”

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Bring back spanking.


I agree but you’d get shot.

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I dont like the way American media covers news such as this one. They have been covering this news for last three days, 24/7, on all major news channels. You cant turn a channel without looking at chos pictures (now him holding guns). And just the way American News people talk…they make even a little thing sound important about the killer. Their news coverage is very commercialized. They would say anything to get your attention and keep watching their channels.

sadly there are still people like cho out there. when they see how much attention cho is getting now, they would love to get that attention too. Even if they have to take their and others lives to do that.

There was a guest on CNN news who addressed that problem about the way media cover these things. And he said channels must stop saying things such as “Deadliest shooting yet in American history” over and over again because when you put a record to a thing, somebody out there will try to break that record.

 
Not to mention in last two days more than 200 Iraqi people are dead.  Somehow that news got almost zero coverage in America.  
Last few weeks the Breaking News on USA channel was “WHO IS THE FATHER OF ANNA NICOLE SMITH”?


and

week before that “IS BRITNEY SPREARS CRYING FOR HELP

and i like their daily coverage of world news at end of the day. “Now Around the World in 80 seconds”

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I don’t like the way American media covers much of anything.
I don’t know what can be done to stop the sensationalism; it’s all about selling advertising.
This week, I have basically tuned out, I don’t watch all that much TV anyway.
I mostly just listen to NPR, read a few newspapers and magazines, and watch the Daily Show.

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I completely agree.  What happened is terrible but I do not wish to keep watching it on television.  It makes me angry just to have to keep hearing the same story, over and over, until fear is instilled in me.  That’s how they get us to live our lives in such a perpetual state of anxiety.  According to CNN, Cho complied with gun laws.  There’s a perfect reason why they need to rethink those damned gun laws.  Instead, I hear that they are now passing/trying to pass more laws so that it’s easier to have guns.  What kind of backwards world is this? 

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I don’t know what can be done to stop the sensationalism;

 
You can quit watching it.  If no one watches, then it’s not money making news.

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According to CNN, Cho complied with gun laws. There’s a perfect reason why they need to rethink those damned gun laws.
Cho did not comply with gun laws (see my thread about Larry King interviews Roanoke gun shop owner). This was on CNN. Cho lied on his application and said he did not have any mental illness, and have not ever been committed to a mental health facility. The gun shop owner said that they forward the application and IDs to State Police, who in turn forward to FBI, and since local sellers can’t access anyone’s private medical records, the shop owner thought the FBI dropped the ball in this case.

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Where/when did you hear this? Who reported it?

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I don’t know what can be done to stop the sensationalism;


You can quit watching it.  If no one watches, then it’s not money making news.

Yes. I don’t.
But apparently a lot of other people do (including my own husband).
I think different people use the media for different purposes. For me it is a stimulant and I can only take so much.
Others like to veg out in front of the TV.
This stuff probably needs its own thread.

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According to CNN, Cho complied with gun laws. There’s a perfect reason why they need to rethink those damned gun laws.
Cho did not comply with gun laws (see my thread about Larry King interviews Roanoke gun shop owner). This was on CNN. Cho lied on his application and said he did not have any mental illness, and have not ever been committed to a mental health facility. The gun shop owner said that they forward the application and IDs to State Police, who in turn forward to FBI, and since local sellers can’t access anyone’s private medical records, the shop owner thought the FBI dropped the ball in this case.

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Exactly what freaks me out the most, that the gun laws are so lax!!! Cho lied when asked if he had a mental illness. Who here has not lied about that? I have lied on every job application I have ever filled, close to depicting myself as Barney, just showering the world with love and optimism…
 
When someone travels to the US, they are asked upon arrival if they intend to perpetrate terrorism acts… I realize this question as ridiculous as it may sound, is a mandatory part of the job of the questioneers. But what are they expecting to hear? Prolly nothing. Not like a terrorist will say “Actually yes, I have a couple of plans to perpetrate terrorist acts… Can I go now?”
 
The fact that a question was asked and Cho lied does not take away responsibility in people who sell weapons and give permitions. In the US, patients have a right to privacy, which means info on their profile and status is not available to anyone if the patient chooses not to have information disclosed.
 
IMHO, Cho’s right to privacy should’ve ended where someone else’s right to LIVE was threatened. Many laws have to be rethought. Maybe if a general information base were to be created where SOME information on patients were to be disclosed to a VERY SELECTED FEW people, for instance, the ones with the power to decide ANYTHING related to guns…
 
I don’t know if that would work, I’m just throwing out seeds…..

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Re: “Are you a terrorist?” border question, I think this is another way of tripping people up if they are not clear with their travel intentions. At borders, it’s not only what you say, it’s how you say it.

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I don’t support the right of clerks at local gun shops to pull anyone’s personal, private medical records, look at them, and determine their soundness of mind. As I pointed out already in this thread, and the gun shop owner interview thread, the gun shop owner said that the FBI has the responsibility and authority to do this. In reality, I am guessing (just guessing) that if no other felonies or felony warrants showed up when they ran his background check, then they probably do not check further.

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But Cho was detained and admitted to a mental health facility. This is public record. I guess you have to figure out if your right to bear arms is more important to you than your right to privacy.

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I agree, like the FBI or ATF.

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When someone travels to the US, they are asked upon arrival if they intend to perpetrate terrorism acts… I realize this question as ridiculous as it may sound, is a mandatory part of the job of the questioneers. But what are they expecting to hear? Prolly nothing. Not like a terrorist will say “Actually yes, I have a couple of plans to perpetrate terrorist acts… Can I go now?”

 
I agree with that.   I remember being asked, at Munich Airport, if I had anything that I could use as a weapon.  It makes me feel sorry for these people because they have idiots making policy.

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But Cho was detained and admitted to a mental health facility. This is public record. I guess you have to figure out if your right to bear arms is more important to you than your right to privacy.

 
I don’t think so.  Medical records are private no matter what.  I think the issue was that since he put himself into a mental health facility, there was not a particular record that was needed for law enforcement to use to deny a permit.
 
Cho was an exception to the rule.  (Someone having a gun for the right reason.)  It’s very difficult to find exceptions and to deal with them.
 
Personally, it’s incredibly stupid to ask someone about their own mental health.  “
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just heard about NASA shooting.
 
its all so sad.
 
what the hell is going on???

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just heard about NASA shooting.

its all so sad.

what the hell is going on???

I know many will find this simplistic, but I really don’t think the prevalence of guns helps this situation.
But basically we are a violent society. It just seems as though there are not too many taboos about killing people in general and using firearms to do it in particular.

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In 2005, a Virginia court ruled Cho mentally ill. This is a matter of public record. His actual medical records are not open, but a public court’s decisions are a matter of public record. This information, unfortunately, did not go to criminal databases—and that’s the weak link in this chain, and that’s what needs to be fixed.

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In 2005, a Virginia court ruled Cho mentally ill. This is a matter of public record. His actual medical records are not open, but a public court’s decisions are a matter of public record. This information, unfortunately, did not go to criminal databases—and that’s the weak link in this chain, and that’s what needs to be fixed.

So did bureacracy trip up someone somewhere?

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With more than 20,000 gun laws already on the books, I think so.

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With more than 20,000 gun laws already on the books, I think so.

 
Then throw in that it’s hard to find a competent employee for all positions.  Then it’s let me hire my friend, instead of someone who knows what they are doing.  There are a lot of factors that keep things from being done the right way.

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Violence (Gun Violence) is just another American by-product that will creap up on other countries soon enough.

The States just does it better/worse than any other country, it’s not really America’s problem, nor do I believe it’s the American Gun culture that’s to blame. Yes, it’s sad that the only defence a arm-bearer has is “It’s my right as an american” Using a 100 year old+ scripture that’s hardly relevant to modern times to justify themselves. But if a person in Canada, Australia or Europe really wanted to shoot up a school getting a weapon wouldn’t be that difficult. It’s the culture not the abundance or lazidazicle mindset of firearms that are causing school shootings.