Maybe we should cut this little girl some slack. Given her limited intelligence and her disposition for making an ass of herself, sunnygirl’s life is probably hard enough.

Bitch and whine to everyone else on this site all you want, but learn to keep your mouth shut when someone who is actually risking his life to serve us asks for a little advice. If you feel so strongly about the war then go out and join the red cross or something but don’t slander someone who’s actually doing something noble with his life.

Carrasquillo69
Thank you for your service, no one deserves a vacation more than you guys. Good luck to all of you, take care of yourselves, and come home safe.

quote:
Thank you for your service, …

Do you ever thank your plumber for his service? He keeps your toilet flushing so you don´t have to drown in your own piss and shit. Now that´s something you should be thankful for.

quote:
…they just do what they’re told to do.

Yep, that´s what Nazi apologists tell you, too. Poor guys just did what they´ve been told to do… like, shot some grandpas and children in "retaliation" for partisan attacks and the like. Sorry, just obeying orders there…

Anyway, carrasquillo, I certainly hope you return home safe. The sooner, the better. I´ts your job to defend your country and not to colonize the Middle East.

quote:Do you ever thank your plumber for his service?

Yes. As a matter of fact, I think you can judge a person’s worth by the way he interacts with the people who serve him. If you don’t mind, Klaus, those of us who would like to thank Carrasquillo for his service should be permitted that freedom of expression without your pathetic criticism. "Thank you" to someone else is not your personal invitation to controversy.

Carrasquillo:

Berlin is a good place to start. It’s huge and hugely interesting in many ways.

You might look into Germanwings, Air Berlin, Easyjet, or Ryanair for cheap flights to your destinations.

The Greek islands might hold more of what you’re looking for; I like Athens myself, but not because it’s a party place.

Enjoy yourself.

quote:As a matter of fact, I think you can judge a person’s worth by the way he interacts with the people who serve him.

True.

quote: who would like to thank Carrasquillo for his service should be permitted that freedom of expression without your pathetic criticism. "Thank you" to someone else is not your personal invitation to controversy.

I don´t need a personal invitation of some flag-wavers to point out some criticism. It´s a public message board for chrissake.

quote:If you don’t mind, Klaus, those of us who would like to thank Carrasquillo for his service should be permitted that freedom of expression without your pathetic criticism. "Thank you" to someone else is not your personal invitation to controversy

I think Russ’s point was that such a "thank you" is not intended for the collective audience of Eurotrip as are the majority of other posts, but rather to remind carrasquillo69 and others that we haven’t forgotten him and that we appreciate the sacrifices that they are making. Its important for them to be reminded (especially when the anti-war side can be loud and cutting) that whether we support the war or not, we still support them.

Yeah, right. And anyone who doesn´t agree is

quote: a sick, wretched excuse for a human being

Wrong, Klaus. I reserve that label for anyone who wishes these servicemen harm, an early death, or the clap, as sunny.girl does. If you feel the same, consider yourself wretched.

I ain’t arguing with you here. This ain’t about politics. You want to argue with me, pick another thread.

Now, Mr. Santa. Do you have some good advice for one of the people without whom your right to speak your mind might vanish?

Totally wrong, Klaus. I don’t agree with the war in Iraq, but that has nothing to do with our troops. Our troops are risking their life to do a job they are being forced to do whether they like it or not. In fact, the more I hate this war, the more respect I have for the men and women who are in Iraq trying to make a positive difference.

? I though this was a travel forum. Where did all this hatred come from? The guy just asked for some travel advice! Some people really need to get a life. Oh yeah, and Sunny girl, you definitely need to change your handle…
Have fun on your trip and be safe carrasquillo69. Oh, and thanks for your service.

Hello. A hostel is a type of accomadation. It has dormatory style rooms. A few have same sex rooms but most don’t. The amount of people per room vary. It’s very easy to meet people as most people are in their 20’s, quite a few travelling solo. Prices tend to be around $15 or $20 a night.

Greece may honestly be hard to get to considering you have 15 days, it would take a while to get there from Germany or Italy. Prague or Amsterdam would probably be the easiest places to get to that are places good for going out. If you go to the photo album on http://www.czechsite…, you can see quite a few pictures of Prague to sort of get a feel for it if interested.

I’m really surprised by the way some people on this board feel. For the most part, the attitude in the US towards the soldiers in Iraq is complete gratitude. Whether they’re for or against the war.

Thank you again.

quote:
In fact, the more I hate this war, the more respect I have for the men and women who are in Iraq trying to make a positive difference.

Don´t how hard they really try. I heard many of them earn less than the ladies who clean the toilets where I work. You don´t get motivated and qualified staff for that, believe me. If you have any doubts, read this piece: http://www.alternet….

quote:I ain’t arguing with you here. This ain’t about politics. You want to argue with me, pick another thread.

You started talking about politics. "Thanks for your service" is flagwaving propaganda where I come from. End of.

So Santa does have toilets at his toy-factory after all… (Sorry, Santa, just a stupid comment to try to loosen things a bit, they’ve become pretty tense).

Well, I’m definitely no shrink, but if you ask me (I know, nobody does, I’m sticking my nose into what’s none of my business) I guess our friend Carrasquillo was just trying to get some friendly talk and plan his holiday, to forget about his whereabouts for a minute. I believe he’s just wondering what a great talk he’s stirred. But this must be the whole point of discussion boards after all…

quote:"Thanks for your service" is flagwaving propaganda where I come from.

Where DO you come from? Sweden?

This is a very simple matter, Klaus.

I respect the decision these guys made to take on life-threatening jobs, ESPECIALLY considering what they are paid, in the service of their country and fellow citizens. I feel the same way about firemen, cops, firefighters, etc. Now, if I really hated my own country and everything it stands for, if I really thought my country’s only purpose was to slay innocent women and babies in faraway lands, to grab natural resources, or to pillage wealth, I suppose I might not smile on military personnel, cops, or firemen. I would want the whole continent between Canada and Mexico to burn, to become a chaos of crime, or to be invaded by whatever force dared to take us over. But I do in fact respect my own country, its basic principles, and its right to exist, and I respect the people who put it on the line to keep it intact. I imagine most citizens in most countries who have a military feel exactly the same. Does that make me a flag-waver?

I say "thank you" to such people on a regular basis, irrespective of which president sends them off to duty, irrespective of whether I happen to agree with the use of military force in a particular context. It is NOT political in any way. Doesn’t "flag-waving" usually apply to overly patriotic or nationalistic comments of some kind?

It seems to me a far more politically-loaded move to jump on an American for saying "thank you" to someone serving his country. But I can understand why someone who despises the existence of my country might try to make a political issue out of a simple "thank you".

quote:I believe he’s just wondering what a great talk he’s stirred.

The harsh words toward Carrasquillo came about because of who he is, his choice of profession. The conversation here borders on hate speech. Maybe we should save such comments for the drug peddlers, the drunk drivers, the thieves, and the child molesters who frequent this board, but to wish him dead because he’s military?? I am reminded of the returning Vietnam Vets who were spat upon and otherwise abused upon their return in the 70’s. For God’s sake, even Jane Fonda found it in her heart to be nice to the troops. It’s humiliating to have to come to the poor guy’s defense. It’s an abomination that such comments as s-girl’s even hit the screen. It’s an absolutely embarrassing talk, if you ask me.

quote:
…if I really thought my country’s only purpose was to slay innocent women and babies in faraway lands, to grab natural resources, or to pillage wealth, …

Your government does all of that on a regular basis and the military is its preferred tool. You can´t deny that. This is what this debate is all about.

And, excuse me, that "thanks for your service"-crap is a new thing here. For me it´s an alarming indicator how militaristic America became in the last years. It won´t do no good. Bombs don´t solve problems. This is what your country taught mine 60 years ago, remember?

Again, you’re confusing "The Military" with service men and women. One doesn’t complain about hotel prices to the person who cleans the rooms. It is more than obvious that you have never been in the service of your country nor do you personally know anyone who has been. Maybe you should have this discussion with some of the 71,000 US troops currently stationed in your country.

quote:The conversation here borders on hate speech. Maybe we should save such comments for the drug peddlers, the drunk drivers, the thieves, and the child molesters who frequent this board,

Damn you caught me!

quote:And, excuse me, that "thanks for your service"-crap is a new thing here. For me it´s an alarming indicator how militaristic America became in the last years. It won´t do no good.

Klause what’s alarming is how misinformed you are. The way we treated our servicemen after vietnam was disgraceful, and it is very relieveing to see that so many people actively refuse to let such bullshit happen again. Maybe sometimes people go a little overboard with it, but good we have a lot to make up for. If a man or woman in service puts their life on the line for me, the least I can offer back is my gratitude. You are pathetic.

Why do you have such issue with a "thank you"? Do you have nothing else to say, no other opinions to offer but to attack the gratitude of someone in opposition to you? If the person sitting next to you thanks a waiter for their food do you question their sincerity? Do you not thank a fireman for saving your life because he was just doing his job? Try to actually think before your next post rather than object just to save face, it’s getting sad.

I wonder why carrasquillo69 hasn’t replied in a while. He asked for some simple advice and has since sparked a brainless political debate because a few people wanted to deny him help simply because of what he represents. "Bombs don’t solve problems"? Neither do ignorant people.

The issue is not a simple thank you, thanking a waiter for bringing your food or a fireman for saving your life is a different thing. If a person, saving my life, killed another one, some people might think I’m a self centered bitch that doesn’t care for the person that died. Even more when my life is not really in danger, and in the service this man was doing (whatever it was) killed someone, the thank you doesn’t become a small issue. I don’t really know how deep this goes.

quote:
i’m an american soldier currently deployed in iraq. i will take a 15 day leave latejuly, and i would love to see europe for the first time. the problem is i can’t pick any one destination to go to. does anyone have any suggestions where i can go to unwind?

Hi carrasquillo69, I think that they have given you a lot of choices and that you will have a great time wherever you decide to go. And please know that millions of Americans pray for you and all of our soldiers, and we are very grateful for what you are doing for our beloved country, I hope you guys know how much. Prayers and best wishes for safe travels and a fantastic trip.

Just to make my point Germans were tried for war crimes after WW2 for doing what they were ordered to do, this was not considered a good defence of there actions, the Nuremberg Tribunal basically said those soldiers should have followed there consciences and not the orders they were ordered to carry out.

Isn’t it nice when the shoe is on the other foot and now an American soldier is being called a baby killer its ok because he’s just following orders. As I have always believed the American people are like sheep they just go where they’re pointed and all they do is bleat. Bush is leading the US people around like a stockman driving his flock.

You know if ever there was a time for a mod to step in and move a thread to an appropriate forum, it would be now. Wandrian is useless

Mogwai, I have to agree with you. Let’s remove this negative post thread and get back to travel advice!!!!!!!

Travel advice?

And all this time I thought eurotrip was a political discussion board!

I don’t agree that we should remove this discussion thread..
Moving onwards and forwards we could recommend that everyone have the courtesy to limit their comments to travel advice only.

I would personally like to see how carrasquillo 69 fares in his much deserved time off.

Kat

But no one has given him travel advice in quite some time, and then there are those that have taken it upon themselves to spin the thread into something with which to argue their political opinions.

I pose the question now to carrasquillo69….
Based on the numerous responses you have received, and limiting it to those regarding "travel advice only"…

Have you been able to narrow your choices to just a few locations and simply want additional "Travel advice" on those specifc areas?

What would you like to see in terms of future responses.

Kat

i have to admit….reading this has been quite enjoyable! not only have i gotten some very thoughtful travel advice, but a good laugh too. i have to apologize, perhaps it wasn’t wise of me to indicate that i was a soldier in my initial posting. i never meant to start this type of discussion. i have to admit though, i do understand. from the beginning, this war has been hotly contested and debated. i am not a politician nor a lawmaker, so i am in no position to influence foreign policy. and from the sounds of things posted here, i am no different than many of you. i am living thru an experience that has changed me forever. i have no ill feelings towards anyone who disagrees with the war, or towards me for being part of it. that’s the great thing about my country (and many of yours), is freedom of speech/expression and to hear someone thank me for my service makes me proud to serve you! anyone who wants to continue on with this political debate, please feel free to, i rather enjoy reading your responses, as for anyone else who has travel advice, please post it. i promise i will fill you in (if and when i go) upon returning (for those who care). thank you

It looks like I’ve missed out on an interesting discussion…

Carasquillo, I’d like to join the many who thanked you for your service. I deeply disagree with the war in Iraq, but even if you enlisted specifically to fight it, the fact remains that you volunteered to risk your life for something you believe is right for your country. I can’t say for certain that I would be willing to do the same. I appreciate it and I’m glad that you’re unruffled by all the criticism here

Good luck with the ladies!

Hope recently responded in the " ? What about Lagos" Discussion thread concerning Ibiza vs Lagos…

It appears that either of these locations may be up your alley in terms of the entertainemnt aspect.
Cost would dictate which one you choose….
She also has pictures that she can share. Perhaps the two of you can dialogue….

Just a thought

Kat

quote:Klause what’s alarming is how misinformed you are.

What makes you think so? Can you prove anything I said wrong? Maybe it´s you who lives in a bubble?

quote: The way we treated our servicemen after vietnam was disgraceful, and it is very relieveing to see that so many people actively refuse to let such bullshit happen again.

If your self-righteous nation would ever have bothered to charge those who commited serious war crimes in SE Asia, maybe not all of these "servicemen" would have been trated like baby-killers. And many of them were.

quote: Maybe sometimes people go a little overboard with it, but good we have a lot to make up for.

Well then, you´re going overboard. You hear me?

quote: If a man or woman in service puts their life on the line for me, the least I can offer back is my gratitude. You are pathetic.

For you, eh? So who exactly threatened you from Iraq? Oh, right, Saddam had all those WMD and supported OBL.

This man in service puts his life on the line for the sake of Dubya and his cronies, for Dick Cheney and Haliburton. I certainly don´t think I´m misinformed here. Are you a Haliburton shareholder? If this is the case, I do understand your gratitude.

Kahuna the service men and women make up the military, so if a persons complaining about the military by default they are complaining about the people who are in it. The two cannot be separated, the military and those serving in it are one entity.

The US army are a bunch of butchers and rely on brute force rather than tact. I think it’s pretty obvious as the areas under British control are showing far less unrest than those looked after by the US.

I also want to add that I believe the world was a much safer place when we had two superpowers, now that the US is the only big kid on the block he believes that he can get away with anything. I hope that one day someone else (probably China) will fill the vacuum left by the fall of the Soviet Union.

As it currently stands the US is rampaging around the world like a bull in a China shopping fucking everything up. All that’s happening is more people are getting pissed at the US and it’s never going to end. Maybe one day a sane intelligent person will become president and the US will back off the testosterone. I think the US needs a women in charge.

I can see that we are back on the Politics bandwagon again…
May I suggest that the respondants preface their replies with the subject they want to address…

eg.
Travel advice:
A good place to have an amazing time is XXXXXXX
or
Politcal debate:
My thoughts on US foreign policy are XXXXX XXXXXX

This way, those who want to bypass the politcal comments can easily do so.

Kat

I’m going to do a bit of both. The first part is travel:
Basically, do what everyone else said. Go to a beach, just relax and have one hell of a time. Drink beer, get laid, have fun. Party islands, hostels, and bars are great places to start and if you do decided to sight see to wear off the morning after hangover, you can always do that as well.

Now for politics:
I find it amusing that most of you spewing anti-american propeganda are not from the united states in the first place. You speak about things that you do not understand. In Iraq, rebel snipers lay in the desert with women and children on their backs so that our troops cannot shoot them without harming an innocent civillian. Children walk up to american and allied soldiers with grenades, the pins already pulled, trying to kill them. The next time your countries are in trouble I hope we take an isolationist aproach on things. If you believe that you can live in a world where everything is black and white you have delusions of grandeur. It’s a kill or be killed world right outside your window. Honestly, I’d rather be the killer.

Iraq is a US problem created by the US and it’s up to the US to sort it out, or get out before more innocent people die. The rest of the world is laughing at the US and the head idiot in the White House. If said head idiot hadn’t been stupid and invaded without just cause there would be no problems and people wouldn’t think the same of the US as the do a pile of doggie do on the pavement.

There has been no proven link between Iraq and 9/11. It was on the head idiot’s agenda from the first day he entered the White House to invade Iraq this is a fact, we all know it, it’s a grab for oil by the US masquerading as a war on terror. Had 9/11 not happened the war would have been called a war for freedom or some other nonsense!

Subject: Neither Politics nor Travel Advice..

Where are you from Sunny Girl?

Kat

I will preface my post by stating it is political and it is a reply to sunny girl.
Once and for all sunny girl, you are a little peon that does not understand what is happening in this big world around you. I recommend you start learning about things before you start spewing your garbage. All you have said is pure liberal/socialist propaganda and hear say, nothing based on fact or for that matter reality.
I WILL tell you that I have lived under a communist regime for many years, and you will never have even the slightest idea of what millions of people and their families have gone through under such totalitarian regimes. Any decent person living under those tyrants would have welcomed an intervention from anybody in the west. But thanks to people like you NOTHING was done for decades! All the naive people in the western world hadn’t a clue as to what was going on in those countries, and all they believed was the propaganda that those f***ed up governments were delivering to them on purpose!
The whole arab region is in a fairly similar situation. The good and decent people of Iraq and other neighboring countries don’t have the courage to speak up yet. They’re afraid of dying. These countries have been under totalitarian regimes of varying degrees for ages. They don’t even know what freedom is. But we will bring it to them.
100% of the people I knew wouldn’t have minded if the US would have invaded my country to liberate us from communism, dead women and children or not. You cannot defeat those beasts that control these poor countries through negotiations. In the former communist bloc, much blood wasn’t shed because most of the assholes got to keep their power and wealth. Had they not been able to they would have fought until the end, just like they are doing now in Iraq…Not to mention the religious fanatics…
I know that I am wasting my time telling you all this, but I am hoping that maybe some other people will learn a little from my post.
I apologize for talking about politics again, as this is supposed to be a travel forum…but I couldn’t bear reading all the garbage from sunny girl without replying.
Ross

SUBJECT: Sunnyslut (I mean sunnygirl). No travel or politics.

Maybe we’re being too hard on Sunnygirl. I think really she is acting this way so that she can get close to carrasquillo69 because she is actually VERY attracted to him. Kind of like when you are mean to a girl in grade school because you secretly like her. Carrasquillo69, I think you should try and set something up with her. I mean I think she is really the cheap slut you are looking for afterall. She likes to wear daisy-dukes and tight T-shirts in church, so I imagine she would suit your needs just fine. Either way, I am done wasting bandwith on her tired ass.

I skimmed through most of this thread because some of it is trash apparently written by trash.

As for your plan:

quote:i’m thinking about starting in germany (berlin), spain (barcelona, ibiza), italy (florence) and hopefully ending in greece (athens)

If you are looking to party, you wll find no better place in Europe than Barcelona and Ibiza. I would certainly keep them in your plans. Florence makes sense because it isn’t that far away. Haven’t been to Athens yet (going this summer), so I don’t know enough about it. I’d cut out Berlin and fly straight into Barcelona. Barcelona, Ibiza, Florence, and Athens would keep you very busy for 15 days. If you really want one more location, I’d choose either Milan or Rome – you can get to either of them fairly easily from Florence.

An alternate idea if you are interested:
Amsterdam, Edinburgh, Dublin, and London. If desired you could go from London to Paris too. Amsterdam and London are big hubs and would be easy to get into and out of. You would have no language barrier in Amsterdam, London, Edinburgh, or Dublin. They are all great party cities with alot of young people.

Enjoy your vacation and have a safe trip.

quote:
SUBJECT: Sunnyslut (I mean sunnygirl). No travel or politics.

Maybe we’re being too hard on Sunnygirl. I think really she is acting this way so that she can get close to carrasquillo69 because she is actually VERY attracted to him. Kind of like when you are mean to a girl in grade school because you secretly like her. Carrasquillo69, I think you should try and set something up with her. I mean I think she is really the cheap slut you are looking for afterall. She likes to wear daisy-dukes and tight T-shirts in church, so I imagine she would suit your needs just fine. Either way, I am done wasting bandwith on her tired ass.

Congratulations! Where did you learn to argue like that? You´re about as sophisticated, convincing and rational as a Gorilla on Speed.

Get a banana.

When in europe, best don’t tell anyone that you are an American soldier… even better an American in general. My advice would be to go AWOL and f*** the army while you still got your arms & legs… It would be really hard to shag all these nice Europeans ladies when you’re paralized from the waste down all because you’re a pawn for the US defense industry.

Sunnygirl is a bit blunt, but someone has to wake the rest of you up.

Back to travel: The best girls are by far along the of the gulf of lyon up to the Cote D’Azur between Barcelona and Marseille. They are country girls who come down to the south of france and the beach for holiday and to party and don’t care if you speak french or anything (past Marseille heading east you get to the Riviera: St. Tropez, Cannes, Nice, and Monaco which is rediculously crowded and expensive in July). Don’t go to greece cuz its only idiot american girls who’s rich daddies sent them to school in Italy and drunken guys looking for the same thing as you…. Barcelona has the most tits… in fact I once wondered why there were no totty birds in England, then realized they are all in Barcelona.

Side note: Also consider Tel Aviv, yeah its tough to find a good ham sandwhich, but the women are georgous and any one you might hook up with would have also been in the army… so you could talk about killing arabs or something. Probably the only place outside of Alabama or Texas you can capitalize pussy with your enlistment in Iraq. But seriously though the beaches and parties are the bomb in Tel Aviv (no pun int.)

oh Tel Aviv is in Israel btw.

quote: women are georgous and any one you might hook up with would have also been in the army… so you could talk about killing arabs or something. But seriously though the beaches and parties are the bomb in Tel Aviv (no pun int.)

LOL – Sounds like my type of woman.

quote:oh Tel Aviv is in Israel btw.

quote:I find it amusing that most of you spewing anti-american propeganda are not from the united states in the first place. You speak about things that you do not understand.

I just couldn’t help but add one more response to this… Those in the United States recieve a totally skewed and content edited version of "the news". You are the last people who can understand anything that has to do with foreign policy. You may think its no coincidence that non-americans spew anti-american propaganda… but its more true to the fact that non-americans have a more unbiased view about what goes on because media coverage is blured with american propaganda…. (still waiting for the US tank commander during a CNN interview to whip out a can of coke and a big mac) Not to say that it is a disadvantage being American… but it is a disadvantage living in America.

god bless you soldier boy!

There’s gotta be a fine women in this forum that is willing to the give some TLC to our soldier boy.

quote:
but it is a disadvantage living in America.

ROFLMAO
Thanks for the hilarious comment.

thank you for your advice, stealthdog666. i definately agree with your requests, but i would like to ask you, what about eastern europe? i heard so many people saying that budapest and prague should be visited. i would like to experience the nordic countries, as well as moldova (I hear it’s a beautiful country), but not with 15 days. any more advice?

Forget budapest. Prague is nice because there are not so many canadians and have the best hot dogs in europe. Bratislava is a great town (capital of slovakia) which most people over look and can be combined with Vienna. But in July the best action is on the beaches of the Med. Fly to Barcelona and travel to Rome right along the coast. You’ll remember it for the rest of your life.

quote: Prague is nice because there are not so many canadians and have the best hot dogs in europe.

YES!
hotdogs!!!!!!!!!!! rolls eyes

Fuck the hot dogs. Prague, along with the rest of the Czech Republic, has the BEST BEER, not only in Europe, but in the world.