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The Great Circular European Railway Challenge
Sun, 03/27/2011 - 14:41
I’ve just completed organising and executing
The Great Circular Indian Railway Challenge, see gcirc.wordpress.com
and I’m now at a loose end, so I’m looking at same idea different continent. i.e go to the furthes points north south east and west that you can get to, as quick as you can.
I was going to go all the way out to Yekaterinburg, but as the pass of course doesnt work past Poland I’m going to limit Europe to whats on the pass, and is actually in europe.
So
Start London/Paris, then either clockwise or anti-clockwise go
Narvik, Istanbul, Siracusa in Sicily, (may be actually Pozzallo), Lisbon (again, may be actually get to cascais nearby)
I’m not looking to do this till 2013!, so plenty of time to work out the details. I’ve done a brief scan this afternoon and can do it in 15 days, including getting the bus from Narvik to Bodo, and getting to Brindisi on a ferry from Albania.
Anyway, I need a place for us to talk about this, there’s a small asylum of us who will be up for this.
I’ll print out the first cut plan shortly, but it will get torn up fairly quickly I’m sure.
I am leaving from London with $2500 for 15 days
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So the initial sketch, in terms of station/train changes is below. There’s no Finland as a result of wimping out of doing Russia, and Scandinavia is done the wrong way round anyway. This route takes about 15 days by just blindly plugging in places into hafas.bene-system.com, I havent worked out how quickly the greece/albania section would really take anyway, but 20 days paris to paris is the ball park we’re looking at.
I’ll probably try and get Poland/Slovakia in on the act also.
Paris
Hamburg
Copenhagen
Malmo
Stockholm
Boden
Narvik
Bodoe (by bus)
Trondheim
Oslo
Gothenburg
Malmo
Copenhagen
Mannheim
Vilach
Belgrade
Istanbul
then it gets a bit fuzzy but go via Florina in Greece, bus it to Pogradec in Albania,
Durres
ferry to Brindisi
Bari
Caserta
Napoli
Siracusa
Genoa
Ventimiglia
Nice
Montpellier
Figueres
Barcelona
Madrid
Lisbon
Hendaye
Paris
As said, this TWO YEARS AWAY, and yes, it’s completely stupid, we know.
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Have fun!!!
thanks, in about 20 languages.
Finland does work, theres a gauge change between harparanda (swe) and torniio (fin), it says there is dual gauge track there, and that you can now get the train over the border, ooh yummy yum. but there are sympathetic, and free, bus services for the short distance if not.
anyway you then get an overnighter down to tampere, then to turku, then a ferry to stockholm.
it gets into tempere a bit filthy early at 05:38, but we’ll be doing this in summer obviously,
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Sounds like fun doing (and planning) this!
When I was a kid I would always look at maps and imagine how to train across the world, writing down all the stations in a notebook…..
How many people are in this project now?
How many people are in this project now?
Well, there’s 4 for sure, and then there’s another 4. We got 17 to do India, so we’ll have to see. The epic lead time is all part of that, if we spend this year working the fine details out then there’s a good chance we’ll get people joining up next year.
The timetabling is of course half the fun. I hammered the living daylights out of a swisspass a few years back, but of course not only does the whole system run like clockwork, you just know that if there’s like 3 minutes between trains they wil be on adjacent platforms.
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Mark — keep us posted. we would for you to write an article or two!
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Mim, this is my home for the project, my scratch pad. I used IndiaMike for the India project and it was very successful,
I’m still very much in formulation mode. I’m not sure if I’m going to be able to handle the geographical side of things within a digestible timescale. Narvik is certainly in, we’ll probably aim for the summer solstice, but I’m hitting problems for other bits. Greece have had to abandon the friendship train between Istanbul and Athens for instance, but there’s plenty of time to get it back on the rails so to speak.
Anyway, expect to see me change my mind on just about everything, many times, over the next 18 months.
P.S does this blasted captcha thing go away once I’ve earned enough brownie points ?
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Sound great!
Yea, the CAPCHA goes away after something like 50 points, so there’s always something to look forward to.
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So, I’ve managed to get right round in 15 traveling days, and do pozzallo though you have to come back to siracusa on a bus. In theory you could go to kars and back and still get back to paris inside 18 days. And I’ve even got the bernina pass to boot! the only track we double up on is istanbul<
>belgrade, oh and copenhagen <> hamburgOnly one night off the train, which is Narvik at the summer solstice, sunday june 21st 2013.
19 countries covered (+ dups, order below)
portugal, spain france, belgium germany denmark, norway, sweden, denmark, germany, czech repub, austria, hungary, serbia, bulgaria, turkey, bulgaria, serbia, croatia, slovenia, austria, italy, switzerland, france, spain, portugal
day 1 (I’ll prob go paris to paris, leaving from london on friday 19th june, and returning,er about july rd at st pancras )
lisbon 16:30
paris montparnasse 13:50
day 2
paris nord 15:25
amsterdam 18:43
amsterdam 19:01
copenhagen 10:02
day 3
Copenhagen 13:46
Goteborg17:02
Goteborg 17:42
Oslo 21:45
Oslo 2305 NZ405 Oslo-Trondheim
Trondheim 07:00
Day 4
Tronheim 07:40 DF471 Trondheim-Bodoe
Fauske 16:37
Bus
Fauske 18:10
Narvik 23:00
Day 5
Narvik 09:20
Galivare 13:14
Boden 15:04
Boden 17:12
Stockholm 06:25
Day 6
Stockholm 10:06
Copenhagen 15:19
copenhagen 15:44
hamburg 20:16
hamburg 20:46
dortmund
praha 09:28
DAY 7
praha 11:39 15:39
budapest 18:35 22:35
budapest 23:30
beograd 06:49
DAY 8
beograd 07:50
instanbul 07:50
day 9
istanbul 22:00
beograd 19:47
day 10
beograd 21:40
villach 09:08
day 11
villach 10:56
venice 14:06
venice 14:39
rome 18:13
rome 21:20
siracusa 10:00
day 12
siracusa 10:10
pozzallo 11:11
pozallo 11:25 bus
siracusa 13:25
siracusa 15:20
milan 10:00
day 13
milan 10:20
tirano 12:50
tirano 14:04
chur 18:27
chur 18:39
zurich 19:53
zurich 20:23
geneve 23:27
geneve 23:41
barcelona 09:43
day 14
barcelona 12:00
madrid 15:18
madird 22:27
lisboa 07:41
day 15
lisboa 08:15
cacais 09:02
cascai 09:28
lisboa 10:12
the plan would be to have a drink in each of these, so we may have to get someone to bring us a freshly poured trappiste beer as we whizz through bruxelles and or antwerp. we will also only be in transit through croatia and slovenia, but we’ll be needing shots at those anyway .
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Hi Mark,
I have signed up here! I am interested in this tour too .
Hope I can make it …. Will keep a watch on this thread.
-KS
Good news, I went through the whole plan and discovered that I’d been put on a bus from Villach to Venice. So on closer examination we can get off at Ljubljana, and thus score an extra capital city, get a train to Sezana on the Slovenia/Italy border near Trieste, and get a cab the 10 miles to Trieste, and still get to Venice 15 minutes before the bus would have. I also noticed that the Budapest to Belgrade train actually runs down to Sofia, so we can do the Bulgarian capital on the way down, and the Serbian on the way back.
the only other “cheating” on the road is a bus from Bodo to Narvik, which is hardly cheating really, and we have to bus it back from Pozzallo to Siracusa, but just getting down to Sicily in the first place is a feat I thought I might have to discard.
So Cascai, Narvik, Istanbul and Pozzallo, plus the Bernina express, and enough time at least for a very sharp beer in I think about 17 capital cities, plus the likes of Barcelona and Geneva which are honorary capitals in their way. Germany gets a raw deal, we’ve 40 mins in Hamburg, and half that in Dortmund, to do the Gemanic brewing industry justice, but the real shocker is now Austria, which we’ve some how avoided in both directions. Sorry guys. (we get 2 hours riding through Slovakia as pay back though)
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Why not just take the train from Ljuljana to Trieste or Venice? Most Ljubljana/Trieste runs involve 2 connections by train — I only see one option that involves a bus.
There’s a time factor.
There is the Nova Gorica / Gorizia link but it takes too long. The quickest is the monfalcone route, which is solid rail, but it only runs in the middle of the night. I’m on the Belgrade to Villach train on the way up, which hits Ljubljana at 08:08, and need to be in Venice for the 16:27 train to Rome. Going via Sezana means you can get to Trieste in 2 1/2 hours, which local trains in the Julian alps, however nice, just wont cut.
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Bloody ‘ell Mark – it didn’t take long for you to get the old wanderlust again! I’ve only just got my bodyclock back on time after the last jaunt.
Sounds like a good trip and what you save on not flying half way round the world you can spend on the more expensive passes and living costs. I will keep my eye on this and you can put m down as a ‘possible’ unless I’m barred from further trips. By the way I thought you were sticking to the Gentlemans Club of 4 for future tours? Are you going to do a credit check on the participants this time and a full psychological screening
Ah ha. I was just going to send you an invite actually.
Yes there will be positive vetting on this one. I’ll be making one to one contact with any strangers beforehand, especially any Americans or people of an amateur journalistic angle. but I hope that at least in Europe that even the kiddies can work stuff out for themselves. And I’m not going to try and turn this into some kind of live-blog charity event thing.
I just went through the sleeper stuff and my costing were all based on a minimum 4 berth compartment. I’ve already had quite a few ex-yahoo’s declaring firm interest. I’m sure the likes of Stoy will be going 1st class the whole way on this one.
I haven’t dared schedule this for next year, the boys outiing will be a week walking somewhere (wales is a serious option), so you’ve plenty of time to pluck up courage and catch the boss off her guard.
P.S. dear Ed, this captcha stuff is tedious already.
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I have come to terms with the 250 Norwegian Krona 250, £96, for a two berth sleeper in Norway, no reduction for an InterRail pass. it’s Norway after all and obviously thats £48 each and we dont want to be tired the following day cos it’s an all night party in Narvik at summer solstice.
But I now have a quote of £64 EACH in a 4 berth from Geneva to Barcelona. What is really getting my points jammed is the quote of $129, £80, for all 4 berths, i.e. £20 each, if you are a Eurail pass holder. Eurail of course is the version for NON Europeans.
Previous travel mates will appreciate the irony in Americans and Australians getting a free ride.
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I would definitely want to do the GCERC in 2013. Hopefully the timing will pan out.
OK, I’m back on the case with this.
I have one specific detail that I’m probably going to have to cruise round the railway specialist/professionals forums for. It is:-
What are the running stats for the Balkan Ekspresi from Istanbul to Belgrade, i.e how late has this train been every day for say the last 6 months (yes I am serious).
And in turn, the sleeper out of Belgrade to Ljubljana leaving at 21:40, which the Istanbul train should be in time for by 2 hours, will the Ljubljana train wait for it ?
If we missed this connection it would play havoc. There’s also a connection at Bucharest but I would imagine the Istanbul train is almost certain to wait a bit, and while it would mean losing Istanbul we’d be back on sched by the next day. via Sofia.
Other questions are generally relating to food,
e.g. anyone know a good deli and/or bakery near Budapest station.
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I got a reply from Serbian railways about the Istanbul train. and it’s not good so we’ve factored another day in. So we now have breakfast to sort out in Belgrade. I know the green bazaar is right outside the station.
I still need to find out about the Bucharest connection.
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Berlin, Warsaw, Prague and Bratislava all just made it onto the trip at the cost of one extra day, with more than enough time to have a beer in each.
We are now looking at 16 nights 17 days, and 20,000km
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Hello Moderators and admins.
I’ve got people trying to join but they arent getting their confirmation emalis, is everything working OK ?.
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Mark, thanks for the info… Do you mean trying to join the site? If that’s the case, that certainly is a problem!
Can you send me an email to matt[at]eurotrip.com? Let me know what their email addresses are and i can see what happened…
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Missed the GCIRC due to work commitments, so hope to do this one in 2013. The cost will definitely be a major factor. Hope it works out for me.
Just to prove that I can now access the forum. Thanks.
I see I do have a lot of trouble spelling European. fixed that.
So, lets try an easy one, we need a great hostel to adopt as base for the day in Istanbul. We are looking at Metropolis, has anyone either stayed there, or has another suggestion.
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Never stayed at Metropolis but heard that is a great hostel. Good choice.
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Coffee, or beer, in St Moritz, for about 20.
We’ve just under an hour, the station is right by the lake, any suggestions ?
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Update
we lost Istanbul, but got Skopje and Sarajevo in return, so we’re now 23 capitals, we also ended up with better timings and now spend the night in Venice.
Probably staying in here http://www.anticariv… in Venice, but if anyone knows somewhere else cool in Venice let us know, we didnt lke the look of the hostel on Guidecca btw.
The technical stuff all goes on in here now
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Sarajevo seems to have a whole stack of places to stay, we have nights now in Sofia and Sarajevo, so it’s now 5 nights skiving off the train .
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