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Okay Experts....
Wed, 02/09/2005 - 05:19
I’m sorry to be posting SO much, but I’m one of those psycho-planners that gets worried about every detail (I’m getting better). Tell me what you think of my itinerary:
Start in Glasgow (5 days) – Leave via RYANAIR to Paris
Paris (3 days) – Leave via RYANAIR to Barcelona
Spain (12 days) – Leave via RYANAIR from Valencia to Rome
*Use my Eurail pass for: Rome (2 days), Florence (1 day), Venice (2 days), Budapest (1-2 days), Vienna (2 days), Prague (2 days), Berlin (2 days), Dusseldorf (2 days), Amsterdam (2 days), Frankfurt
Frankfurt to Oslo (3 days) – via RYANAIR
Oslo to Stockholm (1-2 days) to Helsinki.
Helsinki to London via RYANAIR (3 days) and then BACK TO HOME!
I have a few extra days to spare between Rome and Frankfurt (WHERE should i spend them!).
Tell me what you think of all this – its taken me over a month to plan so far! BIG SIGH

Looks doable, you might like to spend more time in Rome and Florence. Any particular reason to go to Dusseldorf? Quite dull place, to my opinion.
How much is the railpass? Point-to-point tickets are cheap in Italy. Does the railpass cover Budapest?
Looks like I have almost as many questions as you
Too much stops, you will be losing time getting to the airport which doesn’t leave you much time for some places,
And once you have your Eurail, you want to do too much in such short time, you mentioned you have a few spare days, IMHO, this is how many days I think you will need in each place to really appreciate it: Rome (3 days), Florence (2 days), Venice (2days), Budapest (2 days), Vienna (3 days), Prague (3 days, Berlin (2 days), Dusseldorf (2 days), Amsterdam (2 days), Frankfurt (1 day)this does not include days lost on train travel, you can do the following overnight trains: Venice to Budapest; Berlin to Amsterdam; to save 2 days. If you need to omit any cities, I would take out Budapest, and Dusseldorf.
As for Scandanavia, I would allow 2 days in Stockholm, and I didn’t realise Ryanair fly into Helsinki, is this a new route?
Who-wheeee!!!
If it is 2pm this must be Germany. Holy smokes, I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an ambitious schedule.
The following is (obviously) my opinion.
We’ve driven through 5 or 6 countries in 2 weeks and it is such a blur now we cannot remember where we did what or Hey, what is that picture of? I cannot even imagine to do what you have planned.
I would cut down the number of cities (reduces lost travel time too) and see them at a more leisurly and satisfying pace. Some places you are just going to have to wait (long lines, strikes, bad weather, etc) and on your schedule almost every minute is accounted for.
You probably have very valid reasons for spending 12 days in Spain and 5 days in Glasgow but this sort of cuts the rest of the cities short. I have not been to Glasgow but I would think you could cut the time down to 2 or 3 days there and spend more time in Paris or Rome. I have been to Edinburgh but not Glasgow and I was under the impression Edinburgh had ‘more to see’. And 2 days in Rome is cutting it razor thin, we were there a week and still had things to see and do. Budapest and Prague are very nice cities and we spent 5 days in each (in different years) and again did not see everything. I might suggest seeing one or the other but not both.
Whatever you decide you will have a marvelous time.
Lots of time on buses and trains getting to the airport, checking in, going through security, sitting in airport lounges. Flying is not fun anymore. I’d visit fewer cities and spend a whole lot less time dealing with the airline industry. Don’t forget the cost of getting to/from airports and the possibility of overweight charges on each Ryan Air flight in your budget.
PS: Why Glasgow? I prefer Edinburgh.
WOW! thanks for all the input – that is so helpful!
As for Dusseldorf and Glasgow (I have family in both, as well as Norway and Finland!). I was thinking of cutting out Budapest, as it is kind of ‘out of the way’. I don’t have any particular reason for 12 days in spain, I’ve just heard magnificent things about it (cheepness, and shear beauty!). I am sure I can cut a few days off of that as well. I’m not into spending more than 2-3 in paris/london (TOO EXPENSIVE!)
Question for Andrew Runov: these point-to-point tickets, are they only cheep in italy? Once I leave italy, would it be beneficial to buy one of those bordering-country-eurail passes? For Austria, Czech, Germany, Norway & Sweeden? (Of course I would buy it before I leave canada)!
Rail travel is expensive in Austria, Germany and Scandinavia, so some sort of rail pass will probably save money. Also a railpass is good on some of the ferries in Scandinavia which might be helpful. You can run your itinerary through railsaver.com, checking a preference for 2nd class travel and "use a railpass only if it saves me money."
Train tickets are relatively cheap in Spain and Italy, so a rail pass usually doesn’t pay. The Prague excursion pass (good from Czechs border to Prague to Czechs border) is about a toss up compared to buying those tickets in Western Europe. Once inside Czech Rep., trains are cheap and a pass probably won’t pay.
BTW, I don’t think you’ll find Spain "cheap." It will be cheaper than UK and Scandinavia, but it’s not really cheap anywhere in Western Europe.
When you fly Ryan Air to Paris, you’ll actually use the airport in Beauvais. After you’ve disembarked from your plane, picked up baggage, etc., it’ll still take about 1.5-2hours to reach Paris and, when you’re leaving, you’ll need to be at Porte Maillot to board a bus at least 3 hours before departure. I’m just pointing this out because you’ve scheduled so little time for Paris, and you may find that a substantial portion of that time will be spent getting to/from Beauvais.
I hope that you can squeeze a little more time to spend in Paris. Everyplace in western Europe is relatively expensive these days because the dollar is so weak, but you don’t need to spend a fortune to see Paris.
I’d also look into Easyjet for the Paris-Barcelona flight. Ryan Air flies out of Beauvais and Girona, wheras easyjet flies that route CDG-BCN.
Thanks for the input – I’ll look into easyjet!
Yes, I understand I have elotted little time in Paris, I’ll probably look into spending a little more time there (maybe another day) but, in all honesty, I’m not very interested in Paris!
I’ve actually changed my plans a bit to minimizing Spain to 7 days and spending more time in Rome and Venice. I’m also cutting of Berlin and Amsterdam (and brussels/Dusseldorf) in favor of spending more time in Prauge and Vienna! There are just SO many options, I just dont want to spend my whole trip in an air-port or train station!
You’re so right about avoiding spending time in airports or train stations! As Old Lady said earlier, flying isn’t as easy as it used to be.
People react differently to cities. For example, I love Paris, while many on this board have a very different reaction. At least for me, it’s important to go at a leisurely pace in Paris (and other cities, too) because if you’re rushing from one major site to another, you won’t have time to savor the feel of different neighborhoods or, for that matter, the feel of just being in Paris. Furthermore, it takes a little while just to get oriented, and figure out where things are, and how to get from point A to point B.
And that brings me to one last point, which is to try to include smaller towns if possible. The big cities tend to blur together after a while, and you might relish the time spent in a smaller town—- in France, somewhere like Beaune, or Arles, or Avignon, just as examples.