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Purchasing point to point train tickets in Spain and italy
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I am traveling with my elderly parents in Spain,Italy and France sept-oct 2011. I have been doing a lot of research on travel by rail and have read the blogs here so I understand the passes, reservations,etc. We start out in Madrid , then to Barcelona a cheap flight to Genoa, on to Vernazzi (Cinque Terre). Next Rome , Florence, Venice and another cheap flight to Paris. Finally, back to Madrid. I made the plane reservations between Barcelona -genoa and Venice -Paris after researching time and cost comparisons with rail. I also think point to point tickets through Italy will be less expensive than a saver pass due to all the reservation fees. (please tell me if I’m wrong).
So, my questions are first, how easy is it to get from Genoa to La spezia and Vernazza if you show up at the station the day you want to travel. Should I purchase tickets in advance or just buy them at the station? I understand the train to Cinque Terre is a local train, different from the Eurorail system. We then have to get back to Genoa to continue on to Rome a couple days later.
Second, if I want to get the Discount prices such as the “mini” discounts for tickets in Italy what is the time frame you suggest for purchasing on line? A month, a week,day, previous to travel etc? If I buy ticketless is it hard to get and print the ticket when you get to the station to board? Are there typically long lines etc?
I have made hotel reservations for set nights, and due to that and because of the age of my parents, I need things to go pretty smoothly, even if it costs a bit more.
Lastly, it looks like the rail ticket from Madrid to Barcelona is a whopping $160…ouch. Do you know of any discount fares or suggestions for that leg of my trip? I will probably book a cheap flight from Paris back to Madrid so maybe a flight to Barcelona would also be in order. I hesitate to fly because it is only 4 hour trip by rail and it may be nice to view Spanish scenery. what do you think…..anyone taken this trip?
Thanks for any help!

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Chicopam wrote:
I also think point to point tickets through Italy will be less expensive than a saver pass due to all the reservation fees. (please tell me if I’m wrong).

I agree.

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So, my questions are first, how easy is it to get from Genoa to La spezia and Vernazza if you show up at the station the day you want to travel. Should I purchase tickets in advance or just buy them at the station? I understand the train to Cinque Terre is a local train, different from the Eurorail system. We then have to get back to Genoa to continue on to Rome a couple days later.

You should be fine just showing up and buying tickets. Getting from Genoa to Vernazza is easy, but buy your ticket from Vernazza to Rome IN GENOA. Don’t wait till you get to CT because they only sell select regional/local trains at the ticket windows. There is a office there that’s supposed to sell longer distance trains, but it was closed the morning I was there (and needed to buy tickets) and it sounded like that happened quite a bit (the office being closed for no reason, no one knowing when it would open, etc).

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Second, if I want to get the Discount prices such as the “mini” discounts for tickets in Italy what is the time frame you suggest for purchasing on line? A month, a week,day, previous to travel etc? If I buy ticketless is it hard to get and print the ticket when you get to the station to board? Are there typically long lines etc?

You won’t be able to buy tickets online if you have an American credit card. It will be easy to buy tickets at the self-automated kiosks.

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Lastly, it looks like the rail ticket from Madrid to Barcelona is a whopping $160…ouch. Do you know of any discount fares or suggestions for that leg of my trip? I will probably book a cheap flight from Paris back to Madrid so maybe a flight to Barcelona would also be in order. I hesitate to fly because it is only 4 hour trip by rail and it may be nice to view Spanish scenery. what do you think…..anyone taken this trip? Thanks for any help!

There are 2 discount fares available online- 45 euros per ticket or 60 euros per ticket (at least thats what they were last summer). You can purchase 60 days in advance- do so right away, because these fares sell out very fast. I managed to get a 60 euro fare. Call your bank ahead of time to tell them you will be purchasing the train tickets, because often they won’t let the sale go through because of worries of credit card fraud (this happened to me, so I had to wait 2 days for the “hold” on my account to clear so I could buy the tix). I’d hesitate to fly too, because the train is so easy and very comfortable.

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Where are you pricing point to point tickets? Travel agency websites will charge global price, which is usually about 30% more than you’ll pay at the station and they sometimes add shipping and handling fees to that. Buy on-line from the individual national rail company websites.

1. You can easily buy tickets at the station on the day you intend to travel. In Italy, there are automated kiosks where the process is fast, user-friendly in English and no lines. Buying at a ticket window in Italy will usually require waiting in line, sometimes a very long one, although October probably won’t be a big problem. One down side is that you probably won’t be able to take advantage of any advance purchase or other specials
2. http://www.ferrovied… is the Italian national rail company website. It will not accept North American credit cards, so you probably can not buy in advance from them, but I would use the site to check for the lowest prices. ItaliaRail (the banner at the side of this page) is a travel agency, so the prices will be higher than from trenitalia. However on the specific tickets I’ve researched it’s been noticeably cheaper than other travel agency sites and it does offer special advance purchase fares, so if you want/need to buy a ticket in advance, it’s probably the best choice.
3. While train tickets in Spain are relatively cheap, the express trains require expensive reservations which can double the price of the ticket. Use the Spanish national rail company website: http://www.renfe.com… to price and buy tickets. I think it will accept foreign credit card.

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Chicopam wrote:
I hesitate to fly because it is only 4 hour trip by rail and it may be nice to view Spanish scenery. what do you think…..anyone taken this trip?

Have you ever traveled 180 miles per hour through a subtropical scenery? If not, try it!

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If you only want to search train or bus connection within Czech&Slovakia and/or to neighboring countries, use www.cp.sk or www.idos.cz search engines. For domestic transport, they also show prices.

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Definitely book Madrid-Barcelona (roughly 3 hours on the AVE now) in advance on the Renfe site; specials can cut the ticket prices in half.

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LOL…I didn’t think about how fast we would be going. It may be a blur ….thanks though!

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Chicopam wrote:
I also think point to point tickets through Italy will be less expensive than a saver pass due to all the reservation fees. (please tell me if I’m wrong).

Absolutely. No reasons to buy a pass for your route, despite the “buy pass” bias of this forum.

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So, my questions are first, how easy is it to get from Genoa to La spezia and Vernazza if you show up at the station the day you want to travel. Should I purchase tickets in advance or just buy them at the station?

This trips is done on a regional train (R or IR in the Trenitalia website “category” column). For those trains, price is fixed, reservation is not possible, seats are un-marked. So you can just go to the station and buy your tickets just before boarding. Just leave some 15 minutes to spare in case you have hurdles with the ticket machine (English menus available). Remember: the city you are going to is Vernazz[b]a[/b].

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We then have to get back to Genoa to continue on to Rome a couple days later. Second, if I want to get the Discount prices such as the “mini” discounts for tickets in Italy what is the time frame you suggest for purchasing on line? A month, a week,day, previous to travel etc? If I buy ticketless is it hard to get and print the ticket when you get to the station to board? Are there typically long lines etc?

[b]Trenitalia changed is payment engine and now accepts most (70-80% of American Credit Cards[/b]. So it makes sense for you to buy them in advance. [i]Usually[/i] they will open selling 90 days before date of travel, but not always, particularly around the winter (Dec. 13) and summer (Jun. 14) timetable change. But when you find a suitable train, buy it!

[b]Ticketless[/b] tickets don’t require any print-out. You just need to have the code and seat on the assigned places, the conductor can check your name against his/her system online and handle you a receipt! It helps if you print (at your house) the reservation, just to avoid languages mishaps, but there is no need for it.

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Lastly, it looks like the rail ticket from Madrid to Barcelona is a whopping $160…ouch. Do you know of any discount fares or suggestions for that leg of my trip?

Buy advanced tickets on Renfe

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hesitate to fly because it is only 4 hour trip by rail and it may be nice to view Spanish scenery. what do you think…..anyone taken this trip? Thanks for any help!

There isn’t much to see at 170mph.

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There are good cheap flight connections between MAD and BCN too. BCN’s airport has a train station that takes you into city at Sants Station. I think MAD still does buses? Anywho… if price is the issue, look at flying. Probably take about 4 hours when it’s all said and done (transfers, checkin, security, baggage, etc). But if the price is no better than train, I’d train on this one.

Oct. flights currently available from Vueling for $44. However, mind any bag fees, and consider the costs of getting to/from airports, when you compare the total price of flying vs. train.

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Thank you so much the info. It helps me tremendously. I have one other concern about the 2 flight reservations I already purchased. When I put my sisters name in I didn’t know she had her maiden name between first and last name on her passport. So I reserved for her with first and last name only. Do you know if they will hassle us when we show ID? The airlines are Vueling and Easyjet. I can change the name for a fee….but hoping it’s not necessary.
Thanks again!

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Madrid, Barcelona, Cinque Terre, Rome, Florence, Venice, Paris, Madrid

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thank you so much. I love this website!

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My passport:

Surname line: Last
Given names line: First Maiden (no commas, hyphens or other dividers)

Never had a problem matching with an airline ticket that was “First Last.” Did you use a middle initial other than the maiden name initial on the plane ticket?

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No, I only put her first and last name to reserve airline ticket…no initial.

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